More "spin" from Dimma

[Cotchytiggie]

It was an absolutely horrible day in every regard

 

[linuscambridge]

Like pretty much everyone else in the football community at the time, I expected us to beat the Suns who had yet to win a game.

I expected that with finals still a possibility they would have a crack from the get go and not be roused from their slumber by a blast from the coach at half time. I expected the coach and players to have enough smarts to be able to protect a 10 point lead with 46 seconds left.

I expected that even with a depleted side the players we still had in the side would be good enough to win, just has we had beaten Melbourne the week before with effectively the same team minus Maric. The same Melbourne who came out and toyed with the Suns a few weeks later.

I obviously set the bar way too high. Still if you don't get disappointed with performances like that, then thats your prerogative.

Sorry to break the news to you Phil, but there have always and will always be games that severely disappoint you whether you barrack for the Tigers, or any other side. How happy do you think North were to get over run by Port Adelaide earlier is year? That makes the Tigers capitulation against the Suns looked tepid by comparison.

 

[Rosy]

I expected us to beat GC. Our team wasn't a lot different to the one that got the points over Melbourne the week before. We were certainly in a position to win the game but, for whatever reason, we let ourselves down. The cynics suspected Ivan was rested...maybe he was injured maybe not. Similar to the Sandilands situation...we'll never know. I didn't necessarily expect us to play finals. I have belief every year that we will but would never out my house on it. With hindsight a few things done differently and we could possibly have played finals. I don't think it's overly unrealistic to dream of what could have been. People from RFC who knew the shape of our list and the ability of our players better than any of us certainly discussed us playing finals as though we had a decent chance. It was also a core ingredient in our 3-0-75 plan.

 

[Disco08]

Reckon the fact they only expected two top 4 finishes in the 3 finals appearances they were aiming for shows they knew we were only a going to be borderline top 8 this year. If Vickery, Grimes and Foley stay fit there's no doubt we would have played finals IMO.

 

[TheCan]

I expected us to beat GC. Our team wasn't a lot different to the one that got the points over Melbourne the week before. We were certainly in a position to win the game but, for whatever reason, we let ourselves down. The cynics suspected Ivan was rested...maybe he was injured maybe not. Similar to the Sandilands situation...we'll never know. I didn't necessarily expect us to play finals. I have belief every year that we will but would never out my house on it. With hindsight a few things done differently and we could possibly have played finals. I don't think it's overly unrealistic to dream of what could have been. People from RFC who knew the shape of our list and the ability of our players better than any of us certainly discussed us playing finals as though we had a decent chance. It was also a core ingredient in our 3-0-75 plan.

Hey rosy, question to 3-0-75 plan...if we dont make the 8 next year, does Gale follow hardwick out the door?

 

[Rosy]

Hey rosy, question to 3-0-75 plan...if we dont make the 8 next year, does Gale follow hardwick out the door?

Stupid question as far as I'm concerned. I haven't thought, suggested or implied DH will exit Punt Road, let alone Benny go with him but to answer your question neither will get the boot if we don't play finals next year.

 

[Rosy]

Reckon the fact they only expected two top 4 finishes in the 3 finals appearances they were aiming for shows they knew we were only a going to be borderline top 8 this year. If Vickery, Grimes and Foley stay fit there's no doubt we would have played finals IMO.

Who knows. Borderline or not finals were officially discussed as an objective and later a possibility/likelihood so it wasn't really an unrealistic expectation from supporters who believed we'd be there in September. I just don't agree with linus suggesting people should be ashamed of not knowing what a finals list looks like. Does the same apply to BG, DH and others at the Club who considered and discussed finals as a real possibility this year?

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Re: More "spin" from Disco

Sorry to break the news to you Phil, but there have always and will always be games that severely disappoint you whether you barrack for the Tigers, or any other side. How happy do you think North were to get over run by Port Adelaide earlier is year? That makes the Tigers capitulation against the Suns looked tepid by comparison.

Not disagreeing with any of that linus. We all know, as Richmond supporters, what it is like to lose the "unlosable" game.

Doesn't mean that I have to accept some of the excuses being wheeled out by Disco though. I am sure North supporters didn't come out after that debacle and make ridiculous claims like "anyone who expected anything different has no idea".

That side against the Suns was essentially the same as the side that beat Melbourne the week before, minus Ivan Maric. And because the loss of one good player we have gone from a side capable of comfortably beating a cellar dweller to one who isn't good enough to beat any AFL side? And yet we were good enough to overcome a 6 goal deficit and get to a lead of 3 goals in just 2 quarters. How did that happen with such a sh!t side?

Ridiculous.

We need to rename this thread I think.

 

[TheCan]

Stupid question as far as I'm concerned. I haven't thought, suggested or implied DH will exit Punt Road, let alone Benny go with him but to answer your question neither will get the boot if we don't play finals next year.

fair enough, so we dont take ownership or be held accountable for plans not delivered. no problem.

 

[Rosy]

fair enough, so we dont take ownership or be held accountable for plans not delivered. no problem.

Haha you sound like you think I make the decisions. We've gone a long way towards the 3-0-75 objectives. No doubt demolition of our hefty debt and record membership numbers will give us a better chance of achieving the finals plan.

 

[jb03]

Yet we were good enough to come back from a 6 goal defecit to lead by 3 goals with 10 minutes remaining, and were also good enough to lead by 10 points with 46 seconds left on the clock, yet we should have not expected to win that game?

It took a goal after the siren following 46 seconds of complete ineptitude for us to lose, and you can't understand how anyone expected anything different? And people who expected a win that day have no idea whatsoever?

And some people reckon Hardwick is the king of spin!

Dear lord.

This too. Good post Phil/Jukes.

With a risk of confusing metaphors Patsy's flowersniffing on this thread has soared into the stratosphere.

 

[TigerForce]

This too. Good post Phil/Jukes.

With a risk of confusing metaphors Patsy's flowersniffing on this thread has soared into the stratosphere.

:hihi

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Reckon the fact they only expected two top 4 finishes in the 3 finals appearances they were aiming for shows they knew we were only a going to be borderline top 8 this year. If Vickery, Grimes and Foley stay fit there's no doubt we would have played finals IMO.

100% agree. We needed a dream run with injury and didn't get it. Vickery the biggest spanner in the works. As much as posters don't like it our inexperience on and off the field cost us big time.

I thought we would be somewhere in the 7-10 bracket this year, in many ways we have exceeded my expectations (> 100% F/A, no floggings).

Unless we suffer a significantly worse injury run we will definitely make it next year. We can expect improvement from every regular bar Maric/Tuck/Newman/Jackson and couldn't really get any less from Newman & Jackson (or they'll be at coburg).

 

[smasha]

Stupid question as far as I'm concerned. I haven't thought, suggested or implied DH will exit Punt Road, let alone Benny go with him but to answer your question neither will get the boot if we don't play finals next year.

I agree.
18 teams in the comp.
We had to draft in a time of a compromised draft and other teams with bigger chequebooks throwing millions into players or making em fake injury to join(Essendon Veruca Salt Fc For example)..
We have improved every year and this time we must keep following the same path instead of getting impatient and throwing all the good work out of the pram.
Look at us before Hardwick and Gale came in.

Possum's home,shocking facilities,small oval,half a list,no coaching or recruiting staff,lol we were struggling to even get sponsors.
To now have 53k members and counting,a young list with a heap of upside,a coach who is perfect for our club imho.He has a passion and a feel for what Richmond is about like no others.He knows the psyche of this club and how we can be knee jerk at alot of things if everything doesn't fall into place immediately.
He is here for the long run.If he left,I reckon half the team would go with him and I mean the good players on our list then where would we be?
Back to the rabble club of 4 years ago.

We have done AMAZINGLY well for a team that couldn't get a win 3 years ago and the bookies payed out on the spoon.
The 4th biggest membership in the country,mind you our supporters are EASILY the best in the league.noone can argue that not even Pies fans.
WE JUST HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER AND KEEP UP THE GREAT FIGHT AND WE WILL COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE.
Don't worry about the media.
They are envious as hell seeing a club that hasn't won finals for 30 years have this great passionate supporter base.
Hardwick loves our club and I have faith that he will lead us to our next flag.
Next year will be a watermark year.
Players who do not pull their weight will be gone.
Simple as that!
No more Mr nce guy from Dimma next year I reckon.
He will be striving for finals and any player who gets in the way will be dealt with!

 

[Sintiger]

fair enough, so we dont take ownership or be held accountable for plans not delivered. no problem.

3-0-75 is not the plan, it is the anticipated result of the plan. The plan that was done was an enormous overhaul of the football club and included targets and KPI's for everyone from the bootstudder to the President. It included debt reduction, administration, facilities and the football department inclusive of recruiting, fitness, coaching and playing. The plan said that if we meet all these KPI's the result should be 3-0-75.

Do you really think that if we achieve 2-0-65 ( as an example) that the whole plan has been a failure? I certainly don't and neither would anyone who has had any experience at all with long term planning and building a culture of achievement and responsibility.

What has been achieved so far is enormous. Richmond football club is in so many ways unrecognisable from the basket case it was in 2009. There is no way we would be where we are today or even close to it if it wasn't for the planning that has gone before. Gale, March and Hardwick are largely responsible for that.

I know it's a dog eat dog business and if we don't play a decent role in finals over the next 2 years then heads may roll but if that happens at the very least those people will be able to say they left the Footy Club is a much better state than what it was when they started.

 

[nqtiger]

Like pretty much everyone else in the football community at the time, I expected us to beat the Suns who had yet to win a game.

I expected that with finals still a possibility they would have a crack from the get go and not be roused from their slumber by a blast from the coach at half time. I expected the coach and players to have enough smarts to be able to protect a 10 point lead with 46 seconds left.

I expected that even with a depleted side the players we still had in the side would be good enough to win, just has we had beaten Melbourne the week before with effectively the same team minus Maric. The same Melbourne who came out and toyed with the Suns a few weeks later.

I obviously set the bar way too high. Still if you don't get disappointed with performances like that, then thats your prerogative.

Well said, everything else said has been said by apologists, we should have beaten them last year too, we are the ONLY team not to have beaten them. period.

if we cant beat them now we may never beat them up there.

 

[BillyJean17]

Have a look at the RFC website to see what I mean. Yes, he has to be positive, but results are what counts, not words of spin. By any means, 2012 has been yet another disappointing year. No finals again, and this was the year we were supposed to roar. With due respect, this is Dimmas 3rd. year with us and still no finals appearances. Every year we think this is the year to shine, but it just does not happen. 2013??? Who knows? The list has to be trimmed yet again, and it is a worry that the Coburg team is so low, with not much to offer there. So where do we get players to get us into the eight next year?

Instead of spin words from DH, maybe some positives about what we are looking for in the way of players for '13. Another good ruckman, some skilled backs and a decent CHF for starters. That is what I would like to hear from the coach and club.

Yea ive tuned out of 2012 cant be bothered fri night ill go last r , too dissapointed right now another season bites the dust

 

[Disco08]

This too. Good post Phil/Jukes.

With a risk of confusing metaphors Patsy's flowersniffing on this thread has soared into the stratosphere.

Flowersniffing? Seriously jimbob? Me, Linus, BCL and others aren't the ones expecting teams including Graham, McGuane, Webberley, Addam and Derrickx to perform at AFL standards. Flowesniffing's right but we're not the ones doing it.

Not disagreeing with any of that linus. We all know, as Richmond supporters, what it is like to lose the "unlosable" game.

Doesn't mean that I have to accept some of the excuses being wheeled out by Disco though. I am sure North supporters didn't come out after that debacle and make ridiculous claims like "anyone who expected anything different has no idea".

That side against the Suns was essentially the same as the side that beat Melbourne the week before, minus Ivan Maric. And because the loss of one good player we have gone from a side capable of comfortably beating a cellar dweller to one who isn't good enough to beat any AFL side? And yet we were good enough to overcome a 6 goal deficit and get to a lead of 3 goals in just 2 quarters. How did that happen with such a sh!t side?

Ridiculous.

We need to rename this thread I think.

We got back into the game because of Cotchin and Deledio. Two players aren't enough to carry a team though.

We beat Melbourne by under 4 goals. You don't think the loss of Ivan (when we're already missing Tyrone) and any form of ruck competitiveness can make a fair difference to our already average performance?

I'm not excusing the loss. I'm saying our team was crap and deserved to lose. See the difference?

 

[Rosy]

You don't think the loss of Ivan (when we're already missing Tyrone) and any form of ruck competitiveness can make a fair difference to our already average performance?

I'm not excusing the loss. I'm saying our team was crap and deserved to lose. See the difference?

I didn't see the game. The stats for Gus seem more favourable than Zac Smith's. 19 hit outs each. Zac 7 disposals at 62% effectiveness. Gus 11 at 91%. Why wasn't Gus competitive at any form in the ruck?

 

[Disco08]

Zac Smith, while promising, is still developing and one of the less formidable opponents you could ask to face this year. Angus managed only 19 hitouts and 8 to advantage against him. A competitve AFL ruckman would have flogged him. The week before for example, against another youngster Jake Spencer, Ivan had 38 hitouts, 14 to advantage and we won the clearances 41-26. Against Gold Coast we broke even at the clearances despite Cotchin and Deledio playing huge games.