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More "spin" from Dimma
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While we are lambasting ourselves over the GC fiasco we shouldn't forget the advantage GC had due to the humidity on the day. IMO about 6 goals worth. As someone who made the treck up for the game I reckon no Victorian would have felt right playing in those conditions - that was not Victorian weather. Whereas GC do their pre-season in similar conditions. We looked like a F1 car using slicks in the wet.
Don't get me wrong, I was shattered after the game, but it is worth taking a bit of perspective because the loss looks a little worse on paper than it was in reality.
BTW, I realise it was our club's decision to play our home game in cairns so the club cannot use my point above as an excuse, but that is beside the point.
Don't get me wrong, I was shattered after the game, but it is worth taking a bit of perspective because the loss looks a little worse on paper than it was in reality.
BTW, I realise it was our club's decision to play our home game in cairns so the club cannot use my point above as an excuse, but that is beside the point.
Disco08 said:
No we got back into the game due to the whole side lifting. Deledio and Cotchin were far and away our best players when we were 6 goals down and continued to play well when we came back. That simply isn't true that they on their own caused the 9 goal turnaround. The others lifted having been given a rocket by the coaches who obviously expected more from the side than you did.
Disco08 said:
We flogged Melbourne everywhere but on the scoreboard. 13 more scoring shots after completely dominating the first quarter, and almost double the inside 50s from memory. Poor finishing cost us a much larger win. Based on that, coupled what was at stake, the fact we still had more a graders in our side than GC despite those missing and the fact our opposition had not won a game for 12 months, was good enough reason for me and probably 95% of the football public to have expected us to win. All the "experts" tipped us, the bookies had us with a 30 odd point start...yet those who thought we could win with that side had no idea whatsoever? That's a lot of people with no idea!
Disco08 said:
Thats flawed logic Disco. Teams dont deserve to lose based on the quality of the 22 they put out on the park in any one week. What about all those thousands of games in history where the underdog gets up? Do they deserve to lose. No, We deserved to lose because we played like sh!t. We deserved to lose because we treated the first half like a tropical holiday and didn't pay the opposition the respect they deserved. We deserved to lose because those involved failed to learn the lesson from 12 months prior. We deserved to lose because too many people fell asleep at the wheel and couldnt protect the lead with less than a minute to go. We deserved to lose because we didn't play with the required intensity and effort for long enough. We were playing the winless Suns, not Collingwood. That is why I was p!ssed off with the result, because we should have expected much better than that, and quite simply if the team had a crack for a full game rather than a half then we would have won.
In my time watching Richmond I cannot think of a more disappointing or pathetic display..there may be some as bad, but I would struggle to recall any worse.
Disco08 said:Flowersniffing? Seriously jimbob? Me, Linus, BCL and others aren't the ones expecting teams including Graham, McGuane, Webberley, Addam and Derrickx to perform at AFL standards. Flowesniffing's right but we're not the ones doing it.
We got back into the game because of Cotchin and Deledio. Two players aren't enough to carry a team though.
We beat Melbourne by under 4 goals. You don't think the loss of Ivan (when we're already missing Tyrone) and any form of ruck competitiveness can make a fair difference to our already average performance?
I'm not excusing the loss. I'm saying our team was crap and deserved to lose. See the difference?
I often enjoy logical posting against the tide Patsy but your defence of Richmond by losing to a woeful Gold Coast is just nonsense and really, indefensible. No need to go into reasons as Phil is laying it all out perfectly.
martyshire said:
The humidity Marty, really? Please.
jb03 said:
It isn't as silly as it sounds. I was there too, my first time up north. I can completely understand players running out of legs in those conditions. No different to athletes struggling at altitude IMO.
You honestly don't think it was a factor?jb03 said:
I'm guessing you're not a soccer fan, JB. Countries put a lot of thought into venues and timings to maximise their advantage. Never seen the Socceroos have to battle out a scoreless draw in high altitude against a lowly ranked Asian opponent?
Punxsutawney Phil said:
So the rocket was good enough to get them fired up to get in front, but not good enough to make them go on with it? How do you know what the coaches were thinking?
Punxsutawney Phil said:
Indeed. Everything you needed to know that Gold Coast were a good bet was there on the team sheets. Leysy had a good win so it can't have been that hard to spot. ;D
The inside 50 count was about the same against Melbourne as it was in the loss to Freo. Significant but certainly not indicative of a game that should have been much more lopsided.
Punxsutawney Phil said:
What's flawed logic is blaming the loss on professional sportspeople not preparing properly for a vitally important nationally televised match and also not taking the match seriously. Yeah right. That's far more obvious than crap players dishing up crap performances in line with their crap career norms resulting in a crap match won by the team who happened to be in front at the final siren.
jb03 said:
Phil's arguemnts are about as succesful and logcial as the croc-o-duck. If my conclusions (I'm not defending Richmond jimbob, I'm saying we weren't good enough to beat a team that hadn't won for 12 months) are indefensible it shouldn't take much time or effort to tear them apart. Come on flowersniffer. ;D
Disco08 said:
That we are on the right path and as Dimma said we will not waiver from that path.....things are looking up....not too many teams this year can say the easily accounted for the two top teams and possible grand finalists.....its frustrating being a Richmond supporter but its more frustrating seeing people who think they have all the answers spruiking off.....I am happy we have Dimma and I know he will get us tot he finals. Thinsga re looking up at Punt Road and things are improving. There is still a lot of development but we were a basket case. It took Mick quite awhile to get Collingwood back on track, it took Leigh Matthews a few years, it took Bomber Thompson a few years....enjoy the ride.....but then again if you dont like the ride you can always hope off!
Agree DHN. The whole "Dimma can't coach" argument ignores the bleeding obvious in that we played well while our questionable depth wasn't tested and we played worse and worse the more it was. People expecting him to pull out moves that will turn duds into quality players are clearly expecting the impossible.
Frustrating doesn't begin to describe the life of a tiger supporter ! Anyway, I'm not going to hope off (sic). heh hehDean Hart Northey said:
Disco08 said:
Dont put words into my mouth Disco. As I said, the players didn't give the required effort for long enough hence we lost. How else can you explain the difference between the first and second halves. Oh yeah, it was Cotch and Lids who did it all, no one else. You reckon players give 100% effort 100% of the time?
Flawed logic is the rubbish you have wheeled out that because a team is weak on paper it doesn't deserve to win...regardless of who they are pitted against. It ignores the fundamentals of sport. May as well play a 5 team competition and everyone else can go home. Is out team on paper as good as Hawthorn's. Perhaps we didn't deserve to win that game either. But we did because the players we had who as a group are inferior to the opposition stuck to the gameplan and had a crack for the whole day. That's sport, that's why the unpredictable can happen. Glad the players don't think like you...or perhaps they do and that's why they lost.
Most of the spuds we had that day played in wins against more fancied opposition last year and the week previously. And yet we can't expect them to beat an AFL side?
And you think that because we had a weakend team that we should have expected what was dished up that day. That we should have expected to be the Suns' first victim for the season, and anyone who knows anything about football should have expected it, yet the vast majority didn't, meaning you know all and the rest know nothing! And I am lacking logic? Wow.
we may as well have stayed in Melbourne, because according to you we were never going to win regardless and to expect otherwise was fanciful.
And my argument is as successful as crock-o-duck? Good lord man, listen to what you are saying, what you are trying to defend. I know you love trying to defend the indefensible, but this takes the cake.
Let me spell it out for you...WE LOST TO THE SUNS.
I've never said we couldn't win. I said we shouldn't have expected a performance any better than what we got because the players on the field weren't capable of any better. We could have won by a point or a goal and it still would have been a predictably bad performance. Opposite to that was the win ovr Hawthorn. Our team that day was vastly superior and the performance matched it.
I'm not putting any words in your mouth. You said that all yourself, very clearly. I can't help it if it sounds stupid when stated succinctly. What puzzles me though is who you're actually blaming for the loss. Is it every player that took the field? The coaches? Benny Gale?
I'm not putting any words in your mouth. You said that all yourself, very clearly. I can't help it if it sounds stupid when stated succinctly. What puzzles me though is who you're actually blaming for the loss. Is it every player that took the field? The coaches? Benny Gale?
