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Mr Demetriou - has the competition imbalance gone too far?

RemoteTiger

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Jul 29, 2004
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Under your reign as AFL CEO Mr Demetriou we have had an overwhelming number of non-Victorian Team premierships. The last two years the Grand Finals have been contested by four non-Victorian teams and if all goes the way of probability the 2006 Grand Final will be between 2 non-Victorian teams. Whilst this should be applauded as those premierships and this years final series are proof that the AFL is now a national competition, have you explored the long term ramifications to the continuance of non-Victorian clubs being the power teams in the AFL competition?

Someday, somewhere Victorians are going to get sick and tired of running second to the “interstaters” and will turn their back on your competition – in preference to other home town Aussie Rules competitions or other sports.

Please do not point to the current season crowd figure increases – these are "propped up” by fanatical Collingwood supporters – and my argument is not about 2006 – it is about 2010 and beyond should non-Victorian Clubs continue to rule the competition through to then like they are now.

Is this a concern? I certainly hope you feel it is as Melbourne is the “hub” of the AFL!

Why are the “interstaters” so much better than the Melbourne based clubs – there certainly is a gap between the two groups when you look at recent results? The answer lies within the imbalance of the competition. i.e.

1. Home Ground Advantage – outside Geelong who do not have all their home games at Skilled Stadium there is no Victorian AFL Club that can claim a home ground advantage like the interstaters can – those that come close are St Kilda and Western Bulldogs with the Telstra Dome – but even then should those two teams be successful in winning a “home” final they have to play that final on the MCG.

2. Financial support of one or two teams in a city is far easier than financial support for 10 teams from 1 city – this gives rise to “interstaters” always having full rookie lists and better facilities. Plus it is easier to sell their brand to sponsors due to the share of the market they dominate in their home city.

3. Travel 1 - too is an imbalance – some will say that interstaters have to travel every second week – this is not true as some have away games in their own city due to another team residing in that city and Melbourne Clubs desperate to get a crowd at the game “sell” there home game to the away interstater. Knowing full well that they would not get a crowd in Melbourne for that game and would hence make a loss. (There is a clear message from Melbourne based Club supporters there!) 

4. Travel 2 – due to the AFL draw and some teams not playing each other twice we have situations where a Melbourne Club travels interstate to play a particular team but does not necessarily have that team back in Melbourne later in the season.

5. Extra dollars in interstater salary caps – this is now being rectified and it did assist Brisbane and Sydney to gain a “foot-hold” in their rugby cities – but it also gave them an unfair advantage.

When I first saw non-Victorian clubs become successful in the AFL I was filled with pride that our game had become a national game.

Now I fear that we are on the verge of losing the very grass roots of the AFL – the supporters of the 10 Melbourne Clubs.

Mr. Demetriou - Please act before this happens!
 
Don't worry RT the wheel will turn full circle soon enough. It sounds like you've had a tough slog this year as we all have, you need a break. Come and visit sunny Lithgow and i'll take you to the Greyhounds on Saturday a top day out with no tote and two bookies operating. The best odds you'll get on anything is about 6-1 but it was a really decent day every saturday it looks like i've found a new hobby.
 
With the cost of living allowance added to Sydney's salary cap, why is their a set salary cap, with only Sydney being given extra. Should the salary cap be on a sliding scale. By this I mean if Sydney is the most expensive city in Australia they should get more in the salary cap than Melb clubs who in turn would get more than Brisbane, to Perth then the Adelaide clubs.
So instead of all clubs getting 6.3 million & Sydney getting extra, why not have a structure that makes all clubs on a level playing field, according to the cost of living in the city they are based.
 
I think that the 4 rookie spots that will be added to everyones list from next year wil make a difference, and is done due to some of the good points that you menton.
 
Points 1 and 3 are big factors and inter-related. Whilst it's not an advantage to travel, the interstate clubs all get much more practice than Victorian clubs and have refined the practice, while some Victorian clubs are still experimenting to find the best approach. No surprise that the 10 Victorian clubs clearly trail the 6 interstate clubs in the difference between win % in home state vs win % interstate.
 
Vlad dont give a rats @rse about imbalance, just as long as he has his opera, ballet, fatcat paypacket and perks, he's a happy fatty chappy.
 
I agree that the competition imbalance has gone (way) too far, but I think the seeds were sewn well and truly before Demetriou took over (thanks to the likes of Ross Oakley and Wayne Jackson). Still, it doesn't mean he can't do something about it.
 
It is coincidental. This was always going to happen.

There are too many teams in Melbourne-end of story. He has been too weak to shaft the teams that need to go-that's all. That unpleasant task will fall to his successor who will have no choice.

Melb teams will not be able to compete on an even basis until there are fewer clubs in Melbourne.
 
The lack of a home ground advantage is the biggest factor.
It's not fixable but it can be improved.
Every Victorian team wants a home game against Collingwood.  The scum also have 11 home games.  As a result Collingwood don't travel as much as other Vic teams.  This means that the other Victorian teams have to take up the travel slack.

So the partial fix to the problem is this - Home games V the Pies should be shared equally between ALL clubs including Interstate.  When this happens, 9 Victorian clubs will travel less.
 
Are any of those fans whinging about too many teams prepared to put their hands up and nominate Richmond for the chopping block?
 
When they do finally rationalise the Victorian Teams, I doubt the "Big 4" will be involved in any way.

North to the Gold Coast. The Tassie hawks have already started the process. That leaves 8 Vic clubs. I think Victoria can sustain 6 clubs in the long run so we might see a couple more mergers or relocations, i.e. Western Bulldogs becoming the West Sydney Bulldogs.
 
meltiger said:
Are any of those fans whinging about too many teams prepared to put their hands up and nominate Richmond for the chopping block?

Nope.

I'm thinking about teams who have low supporter numbers, few members and who cannot get a crowd to their games, even when they make finals.

Their continued survival costs us.
 
TOT70 said:
Their continued survival costs us.


Their survival has nothing to do with Richmond's inability to compete for more than 3 of the last 25 years.


Very typical of people to scream "There's too many teams", yet think their own team should survive.


>:(
 
meltiger said:
TOT70 said:
Their continued survival costs us.


Their survival has nothing to do with Richmond's inability to compete for more than 3 of the last 25 years.


Very typical of people to scream "There's too many teams", yet think their own team should survive.


>:(
Don't you mean 'our' own team?
 
meltiger said:
TOT70 said:
Their continued survival costs us.


Their survival has nothing to do with Richmond's inability to compete for more than 3 of the last 25 years.


Very typical of people to scream "There's too many teams", yet think their own team should survive.


>:(

They compete with us for players and sponsors- that costs us.

When a Victorian boy wants to come home after a few years interstate, he has 10 clubs to choose from, when an SA boy does the same thing, he has two.

Now that Tasmania has its own team, new sponsorship money enters the arena.  This may free up some possible sponsorships for other clubs-when they go the whole way and grow their second head fully, it will mean one less team to compete for players, sponsors and supporters in Melb.

The continued survival of Richmond depends on others falling over first.  I say let them fall and shore up our own position.  Several will go-it is only a matter of time.

As Allan Jeans pointed out at a recent Club80 function, Victoria has about 300 home grown players on AFL lists but needs over 400 to service 10 teams.  SA and WA produce more than they need.  They take the best and nick a few from Victoria while they are at it.
 
TOT70 said:
meltiger said:
TOT70 said:
Their continued survival costs us.
Their survival has nothing to do with Richmond's inability to compete for more than 3 of the last 25 years.

Very typical of people to scream "There's too many teams", yet think their own team should survive.

>:(
They compete with us for players and sponsors- that costs us.

When a Victorian boy wants to come home after a few years interstate, he has 10 clubs to choose from, when an SA boy does the same thing, he has two.

Now that Tasmania has its own team, new sponsorship money enters the arena.  This may free up some possible sponsorships for other clubs-when they go the whole way and grow their second head fully, it will mean one less team to compete for players, sponsors and supporters in Melb.

The continued survival of Richmond depends on others falling over first.  I say let them fall and shore up our own position.  Several will go-it is only a matter of time.

As Allan Jeans pointed out at a recent Club80 function, Victoria has about 300 home grown players on AFL lists but needs over 400 to service 10 teams.  SA and WA produce more than they need.  They take the best and nick a few from Victoria while they are at it.

Unfortunately I think this is true.

When we faced extinction in the late 80s, whenever we did something right or had a good win our administration was inclined to make public comment along the lines of "we're a more viable proposition than Fitzroy", and at that time there were people such as Barassi, then working for the VFL, hoping for our demise. The AFL won't let any more clubs go under with the current TV rights arrangement because they guarantee in the contract that there will be X number of clubs playing; if the money dries up though, be prepared for a return to those dog-eat-dog days.

I wouldn't have the gall to say to another club's supporter that their club should go under for the benefit of Richmond, but that's what the situation might eventually boil down to.
 
I've said it before ... the three 1925 teams have got to go. Either to the wall or interstate. Let them choose. Hawks to Tassie. Kangas to Canberra, Dogs to Sydney (or NT anyone ???). Would solve alot of problems - and make the AFL more national.

When I was a kid, the Kangas played in North Melbourne, the Dogs in Footscray and the Hawks in Hawthorn. At least these teams had CONTEXT then, and meaning. I reckon young footy fans must look at all these teams sharing the 'G' and the Dome and wonder what's the difference between them all.
 
Climate, climate climate (for training and playing), lack of the old home ground advantages in Melbourne, unequal draw, all contribute to Vic hardship. This makes it difficult for more than one Vic team to get in the top 4 and get the double chance. It would be intersting to see when was the last time Vic teams occupied all top 4 positions at the end of the home and away. With all due respects to Evanstone, Hawthorn moving to soggy old Tassie should ensure they will never win again flag again.
 
puntrd64 said:
It would be intersting to see when was the last time Vic teams occupied all top 4 positions at the end of the home and away.


2000.

Final 8 that yr was:

1. Essendon
2. Carlton
3. Melbourne
4. Kangaroos
5. Geelong
6. Brisbane
7. Bulldogs
8. Hawthorn


and 9th?

You guessed it, The Mighty Tiges!! :hihi