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poppa x

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A year or so ago I questioned whether Wireless would render the NBN redundant.
With Singapore about to launch high speed 5G I'm still questioning.
 

Baloo

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poppa x said:
A year or so ago I questioned whether Wireless would render the NBN redundant.
With Singapore about to launch high speed 5G I'm still questioning.

Singapore also completed FTTH first.

Now the wireless can leverage off the fibre backbone.

Wireless will never compete with fixed wire.
 

AngryAnt

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Nov 25, 2004
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Why can't you build one huge wireless router and stick it on top of Uluru. These comms engineers and their high falutin' optical fibre
 

poppa x

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Baloo said:
Singapore also completed FTTH first.

Now the wireless can leverage off the fibre backbone.

Wireless will never compete with fixed wire.

How does the fibre backbone support wireless?
Genuine question.
I'd like to know.
 

AngryAnt

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poppa x said:
How does the fibre backbone support wireless?
Genuine question.
I'd like to know.

So if you are talking about, say 3G or 4G, your telephone mobile towers wire into the copper or fibre networks below ground as fibre/wire transmission has far more bandwidth. Think of the towers as the tap and the fibre as the water pipes back to the reservoir.

Wireless has limited bandwidth and limited range so is not practical over any distance or with large data quantities, even though compression technologies get better all the time, bandwidth is still finite.
 

poppa x

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OK thanks.
So please explain this...........
I have ADSL (ADSL2 not available) and my Wireless upload/download speeds on 4G are up to 10 times faster than ADSL.
Am I missing something here?
 

Baloo

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poppa x said:
OK thanks.
So please explain this...........
I have ADSL (ADSL2 not available) and my Wireless upload/download speeds on 4G are up to 10 times faster than ADSL.
Am I missing something here?

ADSL is very old technology and very dependant on how far you are from the exchange. It's not a surprise your 4G is quicker.

But if you had FTTH it would simply blow 4G away.
 

KnightersRevenge

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All the benefits a fiber backbone brings to households, it also brings to the wireless towers. Think of them like TV towers. They beam out a "wireless" signal, but they still have to get that signal from somewhere. It comes to them the same way it comes to you, through a cable. M
 

poppa x

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KnightersRevenge said:
All the benefits a fiber backbone brings to households, it also brings to the wireless towers. Think of them like TV towers. They beam out a "wireless" signal, but they still have to get that signal from somewhere. It comes to them the same way it comes to you, through a cable. M

I'm confused.
I thought the TV towers received their signal wirelessly - not from a fixed landline.
Or am I again missing something?
 

AngryAnt

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Didn't get my water pipes analogy Poppa? :hihi

Ok try this, although I'm not sure if you are taking the proverbial.

The towers are like your WiFi router at home - it sends and receives data to and from all the WiFi devices in your house. But it's still connected to copper wire phone line to send all that data back and forth to the backbone and hence to da interwebz. The towers are like your local router. The fibre is like your phone line.

EDIT oh wait I see. You are right about TV towers getting signal non cabled ( at least this is how it used to be done predigital), then broadcasting. But that's a tiny amount of data (40 digital TV signals) as compared to the vast quantity of data consumed by millions of individual devices attached to the network.
 

KnightersRevenge

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My bad, just confusing things. Sorry Poppa. :-\ The point remains. Phone towers are a connected grid. Your phone connects wirelessly to the towers, but the towers themselves are hardwired into the grid.
 

poppa x

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Ok try this, although I'm not sure if you are taking the proverbial.

No I'm not.
For once I'm being serious.

I understand the Wireless router at my home sending a wi-fi signal to my devices.
But I don't have a router.
I use a 4G USB stick.

Thanks for your help but I'm still a confused old man.
I think my confusion is "not understanding if there's a difference between Wi-Fi and 4G".
When I go to Daylesford, my 4G signal becomes 3G and the signal strength is appalling. Virtually unusable.
But my iPhones 3G signal is very strong.
Both are with Telstra.
So I have to hot spot my laptop to connect via my phone.

Does my 4G USB stick use the same wireless signal as my iPhone?
It appears to me it doesn't.
 

AngryAnt

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Nov 25, 2004
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No worries Poppa. I think your question is not about the NBN and more about the vagaries of a 4g dongle vs an iPhone on 3g/4g networks.

Are they both through the same Telco?
 

poppa x

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antman said:
No worries Poppa. I think your question is not about the NBN and more about the vagaries of a 4g dongle vs an iPhone on 3g/4g networks.

Are they both through the same Telco?

Yep both with Telstra.

But the context of my question (4G dongle Vs Iphone 4G) is how this relates to the new high speed 5G Wireless compared to the NBN.
I think I uderstand it - but not clearly.

Don't worry about trying to educate me.
It'd be as futile as trying to convince the pessimist to see the merit of Grigg. :rofl :rofl
 

AngryAnt

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Even 5G has to connect to fibre at all the towerrs, no different to 3G, or 4G. Hence, NBN.

I know, I know, shouldn't have bothered.

Your 4G dongle obviously copes less well downgrading to 3G than your phone... Why? Probably shitty software/drivers in that regard.
 

DavidSSS

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Dec 11, 2017
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Time to resurrect this thread, mainly because I am frustrated.

Since I refuse to fund RWNJ News and the rest of the Murdoch empire I have only seen the highlights packages and the press conference after the last few games.

To do this I go to the RFC website and attempt to watch the videos and what happens? Endless f***ing spinning circles as the useless NBN tries to download a short video. Bloody pathetic. When download rates sit around 200 Kilobits per second it takes 20minutes to watch a 7 minute video.

Fibre somewhere in the neighbourhood and crappy coax (first patented in the late 19th century) does not deliver anything which could be described as a "broadband" network. It slows down in the rain. It drops out for no apparent reason. It is s***. No other word for it.

FFS this is an absolute disgrace. Every country needs decent internet these days and we have been sold a third rate pile of excrement by the incompetent luddites masquerading as our federal government.

So sick of this.

DS
 

RoarEmotion

Tiger Superstar
Aug 20, 2005
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You should be able to get 20+ MBPS easily. I had weather related issues early days and they came and fixed/replaced something and came good. Hopefully you can have same success but you definitely need to follow up with your IP who then activate NBN. If you have already done this that sucks. Took a couple of weeks to get sorted and that was pre covid.

I’m with iiNet and currently get 50/20 for $75/mth.

hopefully you can also find some positive stuff to focus on out there too.
 

Baloo

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Nov 8, 2005
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You should be able to get 20+ MBPS easily. I had weather related issues early days and they came and fixed/replaced something and came good. Hopefully you can have same success but you definitely need to follow up with your IP who then activate NBN. If you have already done this that sucks. Took a couple of weeks to get sorted and that was pre covid.

I’m with iiNet and currently get 50/20 for $75/mth.

hopefully you can also find some positive stuff to focus on out there too.
Ouch, I didn't realise the costs in Aus for crap Internet.

I have 1Gb Unlimited FTTH for $40. Toying with the idea of 2Gb Unlimited for $55 but I'd need to change hardware to take advantage of it.
 

pete and tys

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Feb 19, 2009
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Have a terrible time with the NBN .
Uses old phone lines up our dead end street in the country.
If it rains heavily the pit gets wet and it drops out.
If the whole street uses it on a Sunday evening we are struggling.
If a tree falls on the line we are stuffed.
All of the above happen regularly.
Now...try to get it fixed during lockdown.
No one to speak with.
Must use a message setup via Telstra on the mobile 4 g network to contact an Indian villager.
Can you imagine.
My wife gives up , screaming and frothing at the mouth.
I just sit and wait. Sometimes message re cricket which is at least amusing.
If we had to home school a child or run a business it would be diabolical.
Last time in lockdown it took four days of messaging and a week for anything to happen.
After the huge storm recently it took four contacts and two weeks to get a fallen line fixed.
Must go through this process every 3 or 4 months.
 

Brodders17

Tiger Legend
Mar 21, 2008
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Time to resurrect this thread, mainly because I am frustrated.

Since I refuse to fund RWNJ News and the rest of the Murdoch empire I have only seen the highlights packages and the press conference after the last few games.

To do this I go to the RFC website and attempt to watch the videos and what happens? Endless f***ing spinning circles as the useless NBN tries to download a short video. Bloody pathetic. When download rates sit around 200 Kilobits per second it takes 20minutes to watch a 7 minute video.

Fibre somewhere in the neighbourhood and crappy coax (first patented in the late 19th century) does not deliver anything which could be described as a "broadband" network. It slows down in the rain. It drops out for no apparent reason. It is s***. No other word for it.

FFS this is an absolute disgrace. Every country needs decent internet these days and we have been sold a third rate pile of excrement by the incompetent luddites masquerading as our federal government.

So sick of this.

DS
you mean, in addition to fluffing up the Covid response, robodeath, car park bribes, sports clubs bribes, trying to destroy the NDIS, refusing to respond to climate change, and spending over $1m supporting Clive Palmer fight the WA gov over borders, this current inept government ruined a well planned NBN and gave us rubbish?
surely no one will vote for them next election?