Negativity cost us a win

[gustiger12]

Im disappointed that we didn't approach this game with an attacking mindset.

We were 0-9 FFS, why not have a commitment to win by attack and scoreboard pressure?
The only time we looked like winning the game was in the last 40 minutes of gametime when we fell behind by 19pts and the defensive game had to be ditched as it was doomed to cast us to defeat.

When we piled forward we were far better and in the end if Tivendale had have had half a second more to hoof the pill, we would have won.

We had nothing to lose by going for the throat in this game in Melbourne and im puzzled at our tactics.
Lets hope we can back ourselves by positive footy, then lo and behold a win may not be impossible.

Agree struggles. Whilst it was pretty obvious Wallace was prepared to concede the centre bounce we should not have conceded the centre break. I remember Melbourne doing this to us a few years ago. Ottens was winning every tap out, but Melbourne killed us at the Centre breaks because the set up smart.

Whilst TV is not the easiest to judge I saw Foley come in off the back of the square a couple of times early which just astounded me when he is our primary ball winner.

 

[walhalla tiger]

agree G12, it is bewildering that payers best positions are being ignored for a trot in a role that they are not programmed or suited for.
Very very weak individuals like pettifer can do what they like and never get dragged. The whole thing smells.

 

[adfit11]

Couldn't agree more. The flood was on from the word Go. It breaks you heart to see a great (if occasional) opposition turn over in the mid filed, and the player who stole it look up to realise he's 80m out, and hes the closest Tiger to goal!

Anyway . . . .

The way we played Essendon and Port, every man accountable, I am convinced would have won us the choccies last night.

 

[evo]

Can't say I agree Struggs.The overall tactics were fine.Apart from not putting a tighter tag on Lappin i thought wallace didn't have a bad game.

If you watch Adelaide thats the way they play every week.Have been for a couple of years.

it was the same problem as it is every week.Execution of disposal.

 

[Baloo]

Not sure how we can blame the game plan on the lack of a win last night. Quite simply, it was a complete error prone match that cost us opportunities. We have attacked into our forward 50only for the ball to drop into the hands of Lions players. Had we kicked straighter, both to our forward line and for goal, we would have had a 25+pt margin at half time.

Our players just dropped another rung on the skill level last night. That's why we didn't win, not for any other reason.

 

[FightingFury]

Can't say I agree Struggs.The overall tactics were fine.Apart from not putting a tighter tag on Lappin i thought wallace didn't have a bad game.

If you watch Adelaide thats the way they play every week.Have been for a couple of years.

it was the same problem as it is every week.Execution of disposal.

So you concede that Brisbane were a better chance to win if both sides played attacK?

I didn't. They were dire in the 1st quarter and if we'd played with an ounce of attack and flair could have opened up a margin.

 

[evo]

I didn't concede that at all.Bascially both sides played the same 'plan'.Mathews said as much at his post match conference.

Both sides are pretty ordinary.The result was fairly fitting.

We always had to be concerned about Brown.He was their potential match winner.Look what he did early in the 3rd quarter.

 

[Bill James]

How can this mediocre game plan be accepted ?
And Tivendale must go , he cant keep making mistakes and getting away with it
Johnson no good, you just cant have an outside player that makes so many mistakes as captain
this sucks :duh

To Struggles and tigertekka -
Our "mediocre" game plan stopped their match winner from firing - Jonathon Brown. We were never going to win the centre with Patticson up against Charman and the ball then would have been fed by their midfield into Brown who would have had a field day cutting us to shreds - Had he got on top early the game would have been over by half time.

We strangled them - thats why when their opportunites came they kicked poorly.

Unfortunately we did not have experience or composure to take our opportunites when they presented in the last quarter.

Tigertekka - you must have not seen the passes Tivendale did into our forward line that set up a number of our goals - particularly the pass to Tambling was a beauty in the last quarter.

Johnson IMO is not 100% fit - I reckon his hand or something else is on his mind - he is a better player than what he has been doing over the last couple of games.

We just have to accept that we are a poor side at the moment because we have a team of youngsters - and a team lacking mid-20yos - and a team of experienced players who are not performing as well as they would if we had our two best experienced players on the park - Nathan Brown and Troy Simmonds - those 2 when match fit will bring the others into the game.

But after watching the other games this weekend we are a long way off the top sides - hopefully things will begin to take shape more towards the end of the season when our players begin to believe in themselves.

It was a great defensive effort, my reading of the goal chart on the AFL website was Brisbane had 2 shots at goal from inside 20m including the Lappin stunner. We had 7. Despite our poor disposal and major disadvantage at the stoppages, we structured up much better in the forward line with Pettifer, Delidio, Tambling, Richo, KK all getting free for marks inside 50.

The concentration on filling Browns hole restricted our run and carry through the middle on the rebound, but that came good at the end of the game when it was required.

 

[Brettstigers]

Without a real ruckman and lets be honest here, with the weakest centre six in the league exactly what gameplan do you want Wallace to come up with?

Some of the comments are a little feral for my liking in the light of the facts above. We won't win a game until we play a moderate side with Simmo playing well. Reckon we would have won three games if Simmo had been up and firing all year.

 

[TIGEREXTRA]

Without a real ruckman and lets be honest here, with the weakest centre six in the league exactly what gameplan do you want Wallace to come up with?

Some of the comments are a little feral for my liking in the light of the facts above. We won't win a game until we play a moderate side with Simmo playing well. Reckon we would have won three games if Simmo had been up and firing all year.

Agree.

Add to that Cogs and Brown and there is possibly more wins.

 

[The Mole]

How can this mediocre game plan be accepted ?
And Tivendale must go , he cant keep making mistakes and getting away with it
Johnson no good, you just cant have an outside player that makes so many mistakes as captain
this sucks :duh

To Struggles and tigertekka -
Our "mediocre" game plan stopped their match winner from firing - Jonathon Brown. We were never going to win the centre with Patticson up against Charman and the ball then would have been fed by their midfield into Brown who would have had a field day cutting us to shreds - Had he got on top early the game would have been over by half time.

We strangled them - thats why when their opportunites came they kicked poorly.

Unfortunately we did not have experience or composure to take our opportunites when they presented in the last quarter.

Tigertekka - you must have not seen the passes Tivendale did into our forward line that set up a number of our goals - particularly the pass to Tambling was a beauty in the last quarter.

Johnson IMO is not 100% fit - I reckon his hand or something else is on his mind - he is a better player than what he has been doing over the last couple of games.

We just have to accept that we are a poor side at the moment because we have a team of youngsters - and a team lacking mid-20yos - and a team of experienced players who are not performing as well as they would if we had our two best experienced players on the park - Nathan Brown and Troy Simmonds - those 2 when match fit will bring the others into the game.

But after watching the other games this weekend we are a long way off the top sides - hopefully things will begin to take shape more towards the end of the season when our players begin to believe in themselves.

It was a great defensive effort, my reading of the goal chart on the AFL website was Brisbane had 2 shots at goal from inside 20m including the Lappin stunner. We had 7. Despite our poor disposal and major disadvantage at the stoppages, we structured up much better in the forward line with Pettifer, Delidio, Tambling, Richo, KK all getting free for marks inside 50.

The concentration on filling Browns hole restricted our run and carry through the middle on the rebound, but that came good at the end of the game when it was required.

One other thing I noticed which made us look defensive. When Bisbane attacked from the backline they all ran forward and set up a wall across the center/half back. When our backline repelled the attack we ran it out only to see our forwards had chased their opponents and were then way out of position. Several times Raines broke the line and found no-one forward to pass it to and then had to try to manufacture something and usually turned it over.

 

[Djevv]

I wondered whether Terry deliberately slowed the game for the first half so the players could run the game out. If you have noticed we have often got blown away in 'red time'. Last week against Essendon. Last night in the second qtr. There have been numerous other examples too.

 

[Tigerfan]

One other thing I noticed which made us look defensive. When Bisbane attacked from the backline they all ran forward and set up a wall across the center/half back. When our backline repelled the attack we ran it out only to see our forwards had chased their opponents and were then way out of position. Several times Raines broke the line and found no-one forward to pass it to and then had to try to manufacture something and usually turned it over.

The fwds shouldn't all chase themselves out of position in my opinion. We should leave at least one player (Pettifer) on his own 20 meters out. All the rest can chase.

 

[Phar Ace]

One other thing I noticed which made us look defensive. When Bisbane attacked from the backline they all ran forward and set up a wall across the center/half back. When our backline repelled the attack we ran it out only to see our forwards had chased their opponents and were then way out of position. Several times Raines broke the line and found no-one forward to pass it to and then had to try to manufacture something and usually turned it over.

The fwds shouldn't all chase themselves out of position in my opinion. We should leave at least one player (Pettifer) on his own 20 meters out. All the rest can chase.

It's the chicken or the egg argument - Petts doesn't man up and he is playing to loose, and if he does man up he's not getting clear enough.

It's a game of metres given and taken. Assessing your opponent and how many metres latitude you can give him and still cover if needed, and how many metres you need to take to be effectively clear to receive. Each assessment varies depending on your new opponent as they each have diffent reaction times and running speed. All this is intuitive to some players while others actually have to think it through.