Newman - Over-rated or Good player? | PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
  • IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.

Newman - Over-rated or Good player?

Dyer'ere said:
His kicking is a rumour. Lovely left foot kicks sideways of 30m most of the time. .

His kicking is as accurate and damaging as anyone in the side. He averages as many long kicks per game as most of the good defenders, while averaging less errors.

Dyer'ere said:
Since he's such a godd kick, why doesn't he kick for goal?

He plays in defense, usually on the smaller forwards. Smaller forwards are hard to run off (and liable to hurt you if you do) aren't they?

Dyer'ere said:
Lacks ambition.

Huh?
 
Dyer'ere said:
His kicking is a rumour. Lovely left foot kicks sideways of 30m most of the time.

Usually agree with you Jack but this is rubbish.
He's an excellent kick.
Yes he' does chip sideways OCCASSIONALLY but he's the most accurate footpasser in our team by some distance.
Good work on the stats again Discoman.
 
I like Newman as a player. He keeps improving. Even this year I've noticed his inside 50 kicking has improved. But he's no star in this regard.

I think he chooses targets that are way too conservative. Agree, he virtually never misses them. And I understand that he often looks to switch. But it's his kicking in general that lacks ambition IMO.

Because there is a wide (and IMO mistaken) perception that he is one of the best kicks at the club, he doesn't get enough scrutiny for his use by foot.

It's like he's immune from criticism. There is a downside to this.

e.g. In 2003 and 2004, Newman's stats were very similar and there was a view that he had not improved. I don't agree with this. In 2004 Newman improved his physical game a lot. He learnt to come through the traffic not step to the left so often.

But unless you were to observe the lack of body work in 2003, you couldn't praise him for the improvement in 2004.

In 2006 Newman's kicking inside 50 has improved IMO. He has had on-ball roles this year and has started in the centre square at bounces. He hasn't been confined to a back pocket all season. But he's playing there now.

Even though Raines coughs it up from time to time (maybe a bit more often than that) he is taking risks. Breaking lines, using the ball quickly, straight and long. He's entitled to make some mistakes on the risk score alone. He is ambitious with the ball.

Hartigan, when he sends the ball inside 50, is a nob, classes better than Newman in this respect IMO. He makes errors by foot in the back half but he's ambitious with the ball. It's inevitable.

Andy Kellaway has to choose conservative targets because he gives the ball too much air. Newman has a sweet technique. Why does he choose the same type of target as Kellaway?

Newman is almost failsafe with his conservative use by foot. But he lacks ambition with the ball. This is where I'd like to see him make a quantum improvement. And when he does it, we'll notice.
 
Dyer'ere said:
I like Newman as a player. He keeps improving. Even this year I've noticed his inside 50 kicking has improved. But he's no star in this regard.

I think he chooses targets that are way too conservative. Agree, he virtually never misses them. And I understand that he often looks to switch. But it's his kicking in general that lacks ambition IMO.

Because there is a wide (and IMO mistaken) perception that he is one of the best kicks at the club, he doesn't get enough scrutiny for his use by foot.

It's like he's immune from criticism. There is a downside to this.

e.g. In 2003 and 2004, Newman's stats were very similar and there was a view that he had not improved. I don't agree with this. In 2004 Newman improved his physical game a lot. He learnt to come through the traffic not step to the left so often.

But unless you were to observe the lack of body work in 2003, you couldn't praise him for the improvement in 2004.

In 2006 Newman's kicking inside 50 has improved IMO. He has had on-ball roles this year and has started in the centre square at bounces. He hasn't been confined to a back pocket all season. But he's playing there now.

Even though Raines coughs it up from time to time (maybe a bit more often than that) he is taking risks. Breaking lines, using the ball quickly, straight and long. He's entitled to make some mistakes on the risk score alone. He is ambitious with the ball.

Hartigan, when he sends the ball inside 50, is a nob, classes better than Newman in this respect IMO. He makes errors by foot in the back half but he's ambitious with the ball. It's inevitable.

Andy Kellaway has to choose conservative targets because he gives the ball too much air. Newman has a sweet technique. Why does he choose the same type of target as Kellaway?

Newman is almost failsafe with his conservative use by foot. But he lacks ambition with the ball. This is where I'd like to see him make a quantum improvement. And when he does it, we'll notice.
Perhaps JD thats what TW wants Newmo to do and be.The Conservative and get out of jail player who has the polish and poise to get out of a sticky situation.
 
Dyer'ere said:
I like Newman as a player. He keeps improving. Even this year I've noticed his inside 50 kicking has improved. But he's no star in this regard.

I think he chooses targets that are way too conservative. Agree, he virtually never misses them. And I understand that he often looks to switch. But it's his kicking in general that lacks ambition IMO.

Because there is a wide (and IMO mistaken) perception that he is one of the best kicks at the club, he doesn't get enough scrutiny for his use by foot.

It's like he's immune from criticism. There is a downside to this.

e.g. In 2003 and 2004, Newman's stats were very similar and there was a view that he had not improved. I don't agree with this. In 2004 Newman improved his physical game a lot. He learnt to come through the traffic not step to the left so often.

But unless you were to observe the lack of body work in 2003, you couldn't praise him for the improvement in 2004.

In 2006 Newman's kicking inside 50 has improved IMO. He has had on-ball roles this year and has started in the centre square at bounces. He hasn't been confined to a back pocket all season. But he's playing there now.

Even though Raines coughs it up from time to time (maybe a bit more often than that) he is taking risks. Breaking lines, using the ball quickly, straight and long. He's entitled to make some mistakes on the risk score alone. He is ambitious with the ball.

Hartigan, when he sends the ball inside 50, is a nob, classes better than Newman in this respect IMO. He makes errors by foot in the back half but he's ambitious with the ball. It's inevitable.

Andy Kellaway has to choose conservative targets because he gives the ball too much air. Newman has a sweet technique. Why does he choose the same type of target as Kellaway?

Newman is almost failsafe with his conservative use by foot. But he lacks ambition with the ball. This is where I'd like to see him make a quantum improvement. And when he does it, we'll notice.

Excellent post, agree wholeheartedly. He has skill, but wastes it through a lack of creativity. That's the difference between good and great players.
 
Yeah, Newman is a player who plays well within himself. He has pared his game right down to the basics, concentrates hard, plays on his man, kicks efficiently, handpasses cleanly, reduces his opponents space and does all the things that would be reasonably expected of him on a football field.

The comparison with Tyson Edwards is a good one for him. What Edwards has done in the second half of his career is step up a level by doing all of these things but doing them more often than he used to. Newman is a 10-20 possession a game man but Edwards is a 20-25 possession a game man. He used to gain similar stats to Newman.

It is those extra few possessions in a game that lead to more goals and goal assists and lift his performance. Just like Edwards had to leave the security of the small defender role to go to the next level, so does Newman.

Raines, Polo, White and Roach can cover as small defenders and will probably blossom with the opportunity.

On a similar comparison, Edwards' emergence in midfield created an opportunity for McLoed to slip back and play as a free-wheeling defender. Tambling will benefit form this sort of role too.
 
mainlandy said:
He's a good player, one of our best.

Newman is certainly one of the better players in the Richmond side - An important player for the development of the club.
As for playing midfield, fails to show enough polish using the ball in close to be recognised as a genuine midfielder, but makes up for it, getting to a contest - Is better suited in a run and carry type role - Looks a better player when the ball favours his left side.
Is the best small option in our backline and will continue to play in this position.
Some doubts must also be raised over his endurance - Not exactly the quickest player in heavy traffic.