next week

[Tubytiger]

I hope that Nathan Foley gets a run against Brissie. He was sensational for Coburg against Geelong, picking up possessions all over the ground. I hope that the stuff about Cogs kicking him out of the centre is not right.

Cleve Hughes was out of sorts all day and it turns out that he forgot his orthotics and had sore feet right from the start. Rumour has it that the Tiger and 'Burger hierachies are not impressed and he may spend a game in the Coburg Ressies to help him to NOT FORGET them in the future.

Greg Stafford may be right to play.

Mark Chaffey has a calf strain or pulled calf and won't be right for this week against the Lions.

My smokie for a matchup on Jonathan Brown is - MATTHEW RICHARDSON.

Thanks for the feedback RJ, can you tell us anything on how JON & Polo performed and how they are travelling?

Just had a look at the coburg board and RJ and another poster had a pretty good run down of how some individuals went the other day for Coburg GPB. Might be worth a look.

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

TT thanks for the advice.

RJ, thanks for the reply. It's exciting to hear about JON and I've seen him on several occasions as you have described him. Being too light is his negative at the moment but so is Tambling to an extent, therefore I can envisage him playing more a peripheral role and could be playing senior footaball sooner, than later. Speaking to Matt Hornsby last Sunday, he told me JON is too good for VFL and belongs in the Richmond Senior side, however he did mention about his lack of weight. Oh well, we'll wait and see what TW has in mind.

As for Polo, do you see him getting a game in the near future before JON?

 

[Bingo!]

Joel Bowden on Jonathon Brown.

Don't worry too much about Brown and focus on the players you can match up on well.

If Brown kicks 5 goals, so be it.

 

[GoodOne]

P. Bowden would be my option.

Patrick Bowden??  :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Never have I heard anything so laughable. Brown would snap this unaccountable twig in half.

And for all those claiming him a revelation this year, grab yourself a copy of last night's game and have a look at his intensity and attack on the ball and the man. I saw at least 4 occasions where he could have laid a really hard tackle and hurt an opponent but refused to do so. Took shorts steps and didn't even make a contest.

Not to mention the two goals he missed during the first quarter when we had all the momentum.

Spot on about his intensity - he is lazy and unaccountable and I was too hasty to change my mind last week. My comments after round 1 may still be correct.

You're laughable.  Round 1 he's useless, Round 2 he's a revelation, Round 3, back to Round 1 comments, what's it gonna be next week.  What's wrong with allowing a bloke to play a full season before making judgement on how they have fared.  It's as if any player to pull on a jumper needs to have a best on ground every week to be worth their spot.  Its just ridiculous.

Ooh he missed a couple of goals, well %$^& happens.  Next time he'll get them, at least he's creating opportunities, see the difference.  Accountability now let's see, as a forward player should I be marking my backman at all costs or should he be marking me?  So I make an opportunity, the ball bounces the wrong way, and my opposition players gets a kick.  Accountability, have a look around, have a look at the style of game that is played today, accountability has dropped off immensely in the whole league.  It's all about creating space off your opponents these days.  Im not a fan of that style of play but the times are changing.  Look outside the micro analysis for a moment and take in the whole context of the game., then make judgements of players according to the styl of game and instructions given to those players.  So easy to criticise from the arm-chair.

Cheers

Yes, its bloody easy to criticise from an armchair, thats why its so much fun and why we all spend so much time on messageboards like this doing it.

I'm not saying his opponents shouldnt get a touch, but I do think his chasing and pressure on his opponent when they do have the ball, or are presenting for the ball is not up to scratch. Pettifer likewise. That said, when we push numbers back - it is often these guys who are caught between two opponents, so there are some reasons for it.

I get frustrated when instead of going full pace and getting to a contest to try and spoil, a player goes at 3/4 pace and doesnt quite get there. Bowden is a major culprit.

Agree DF and for someone to say there is little accountability left in todays football....now that in itself is laughable.

Elaborate Tuby, if you insist on making comment.  Firstly I didnt say there is little accountability, I said it has dropped off immensely.  I look at the game today as opposed to say 10-15 years ago, and, yes if you think players are as accountable today, and for clarification, that means players manning up, then keep on laughing.  

Thankyou Dragacevic for your reasoning, and I agree with your comments that in today's game with the flooding back that it does make it easier for others to zone off and get the easy kick, sometimes making it look like the fault of the forwards.  As I say, the games style has changed, and accountability is not what it used to be.

Cheers

 

[mk33]

Joel did a great job last year.

*smile* was best on Brown last year swapping with Graham on Bradshaw depending who was at full forward but both beat their man easily last year.

Bradshaw unlikely to play so Brown and Merrett and possibly a Clark up forward. Hall on Clark and jOel play on Brown unless Brown goes to the square and Chuba on Merrett.

 

[Tiger Endevour]

Elaborate Tuby, if you insist on making comment.  Firstly I didnt say there is little accountability, I said it has dropped off immensely.  I look at the game today as opposed to say 10-15 years ago, and, yes if you think players are as accountable today, and for clarification, that means players manning up, then keep on laughing.  

Thankyou Dragacevic for your reasoning, and I agree with your comments that in today's game with the flooding back that it does make it easier for others to zone off and get the easy kick, sometimes making it look like the fault of the forwards.  As I say, the games style has changed, and accountability is not what it used to be.

Cheers

I would expect even modern day coaches say if you havent got the ball then man up. The game certainly has changed but some things never change - very strange comment Good One

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

Hornsby's comments are spot on. JON looks sensational but I would still like to see him play some Victorian footy before breaking into the Tiges. Same for Casserley and Hughes, although I think that Hughes is just about ready to go with the Tiges.

Polo appears more advanced than JON in the off the ball stuff so he may get a go before JON.

I hope they prove me wrong and that JON and Dean play their first senior game on the same day.

RT, do you know whether young Travis played football on the weekend and what's his status? Much appreciated.

 

[GoodOne]

I would expect even modern day coaches say if you havent got the ball then man up. The game certainly has changed but some things never change - very strange comment Good One

Not strange at all.  How do you flood?  You certainly dont hold your oposition's hand as you skip your way down.  Where does that leave your player?  Many teams now are giving up the defensive half of the ground but ensuring that it is difficult to get a forward thrust.  I can guarantee you coaches ae not saying man up if you havent got the ball under certain circumstances.

Cheers

 

[Cambo]

Joel Bowden on Jonathon Brown.

Don't worry too much about Brown and focus on the players you can match up on well.

If Brown kicks 5 goals, so be it.

Totally agree, lets not worry too much about what one of there Players can do, lets start playing our own game and just kick more goals than the opposition

 

[Tiger Endevour]

I would expect even modern day coaches say if you havent got the ball then man up. The game certainly has changed but some things never change - very strange comment Good One

Not strange at all.  How do you flood?  You certainly dont hold your oposition's hand as you skip your way down.  Where does that leave your player?  Many teams now are giving up the defensive half of the ground but ensuring that it is difficult to get a forward thrust.  I can guarantee you coaches ae not saying man up if you havent got the ball under certain circumstances.

Cheers


Putting your childish remarks to one re skipping on a football field I think the main thrust of this arguement led back to players like P Bowden and the likes putting defensive pressure on their opponents in our forward line. I think that if he and a couple of others down their can put deffensive pressure on their opposition running freely out of our forward line that it can only be a good thing. Now this is really the point, we have had too many players down in our forward 50 that have not been able to put defensive pressure on our opponents and let them run out of defence way too easily. I suppose that does come down to reading the play and therefore partially about manning up if you do see a kick going to the advantage of the opposition.

For way too long the footy club has had too many passengers in being able to put pressure on their direct opponent when they have had the ball. This ranges from our forward line as previously mentioned to the midfield which puts enormous pressure on our backline which has not been up to standard for donkeys years anyway.

 

[GoodOne]

I would expect even modern day coaches say if you havent got the ball then man up. The game certainly has changed but some things never change - very strange comment Good One

Not strange at all.  How do you flood?  You certainly dont hold your oposition's hand as you skip your way down.  Where does that leave your player?  Many teams now are giving up the defensive half of the ground but ensuring that it is difficult to get a forward thrust.  I can guarantee you coaches ae not saying man up if you havent got the ball under certain circumstances.

Cheers


Putting your childish remarks to one re skipping on a football field I think the main thrust of this arguement led back to players like P Bowden and the likes putting defensive pressure on their opponents in our forward line. I think that if he and a couple of others down their can put deffensive pressure on their opposition running freely out of our forward line that it can only be a good thing. Now this is really the point, we have had too many players down in our forward 50 that have not been able to put defensive pressure on our opponents and let them run out of defence way too easily. I suppose that does come down to reading the play and therefore partially about manning up if you do see a kick going to the advantage of the opposition.

For way too long the footy club has had too many passengers in being able to put pressure on their direct opponent when they have had the ball. This ranges from our forward line as previously mentioned to the midfield which puts enormous pressure on our backline which has not been up to standard for donkeys years anyway.

Im sorry I'll remain very serious this time, would hate to look childish again (a rarity on this forum). I dont disagree with you, there are some who dont put backline pressure as well as others. But look around, every team have their better tacklers, their better pressure players and so on. It would be a great exercise actually to evaluate each team's forward line and compare. In the ideal world it would be great if players would apply stronger pressure at every moment, but as I said before, if the centre pushes quickly back for a flood, and you are a forward, and you have your player out wide and a centreman pushing into the middle of the ground, what do you do as a player? Push out to the wide player who is your immediate opponent? All Im saying is in today's game, it is alot harder for a forward player to apply pressure, except where the ball is in the immediate vicinity. In this case, I agree the Pettifer's arent as good as others, but can we expect all our players to have the same level of capability in all footy skill facets?

Cheers

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

Travis Casserley only played one half of footy yesterday. That's all that was planned apparently.

I haven't heard how he went yet.

Thanks RJ, that news has somehow lightened up my long week-end.

 

[Tigers of Old]

There seems little doubt the Lions have got plenty of problems of their own.

Not only has Leppa been suspended but there's plenty of tension in the ranks re the Aker/Matthews/Cresswell feud that's been simmering the past couple of weeks.

We might be in with a real show.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Looks like Bradshaw will miss too.

As long as Brown is held :-\ believe it or not our pace would be a concern to the Lions.

 

[BrisTiger24]

Just spoke to a Lions fan, the news I got was that Mitch Clark may miss with an injury. Bradshaw is no certainty to miss but even if he doesn't, he will probably play CHB in the absence of Leppitsch.

Merrett and Keating are chances to come in (with Charman playing forward a lot to stretch Richmond's defence). Anthony Corrie is also a chance to return after kicking 3 goals in reserve grade last week.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Just spoke to a Lions fan, the news I got was that Mitch Clark may miss with an injury. Bradshaw is no certainty to miss but even if he doesn't, he will probably play CHB in the absence of Leppitsch.

Merrett and Keating are chances to come in (with Charman playing forward a lot to stretch Richmond's defence). Anthony Corrie is also a chance to return after kicking 3 goals in reserve grade last week.

That might be more recent news than what's in the media BrisTiger, but early in the week it was suspected they'd both play:

From the Lions website:

Bradshaw, Clark chances for Tigers
12:45:03 PM Mon 17 April, 2006
lions.com.au

The Lions may yet emerge from the Easter Thursday loss to St Kilda unscathed, with Daniel Bradshaw and Mitchell Clark to undergo fitness tests ahead of Saturday's meeting with Richmond.

Bradshaw suffered a slight groin strain against the Saints, while Clark bruised his shoulder in the same match.

But Lions coach Leigh Matthews is keeping his fingers crossed that both will be available when the Tigers make the trip to the Gabba on Saturday night.

"I think they'll all be okay. The last I spoke to the physio, a quarter of an hour ago, he didn't think that anyone who played last week would be injured this week," Matthews said at his Monday morning media briefing.

"They should all come up therefore."

Be nice to have both out...I suspect Matthews will keep us guessing until the 11th hour.