Next year

[Brettstigers]

just shows some will never be pleased.  Pettifer had a good year last year and I would have batted an eyelid and not been happy.

thts your opinion shawry as far as im concerned he was ordinary last yr. and ill rephrase just for you. most would not have batted an eyelid if he was delisted.and i have to say i am pleased with his efforts this yr but if i could get an early pick for him i would do it in a heart beat.

To express a contrary opinion - what complete crap. If you will remember Pettifer was a first round pick and *gasp* he is now actually playing like one. It took longer than most but it has happened. Lets save the target on back stuff for the slow moving targets on our list who can't actually play. Why exchange a first round draft pick playing well to re-enter the draft roulette (will he improve, is he injury prone (or unlucky), does he have a professional work ethic, does he need to go back to his home state mommy...etc)

 

[CarnTheTiges]

You may be with a very small minority with your opinion of Pettifer last year claw. He won the club's most improved player. So obviously those at the club also believed he had a future.

 

[tigerjoe]

its not just rodan and hall the fact we gave longish contracts to hacks like tivendale Krakouer pettifer chaffey etc when it was as plain as your nose they wouldnt be around in the long term is coming back to bite us. thats bad list management.
regardless of what draft it is we should be utilising at least 5 picks every yr and filling up the rookie list the name of the game is to keep on turning them over until you find a good one.useing just 3 picks each yr is a recipe for huge gaps in your list.

Claw forget the past re. this discussion we are talking 2005 and 2006. So in doing that can you explain to me how we could have got 6-8 kids last year and another 6-8 this year remembering the contracts (rightly or wrongly) that were/are in place?

WT, claw needs no help defending himself but I would like to add my 2 bobs worth.

Claw is referring to list management that goes back earlier than 2005/2006. Giving players who had shocking 2002, 2003, 2004 seasons 2 and 3 year contracts is what he is referring to. If this didn't happen we would have been in a better position to turn our list over.

 

[Laff]

Pettifer is like any dud stock you hang on and hang on until they have a good year and maybe even grow a fraction but over the long term hindsight tells you that you would have been better cutting your losses and going blue chip.

 

[checkside]

I think we need to get rid of atleast 5, i wont name the 5 i think until the season is over.

 

[gustiger12]

I think we need to get rid of atleast 5, i wont name the 5 i think until the season is over.

Well said Checkside. Why don't we wait till the end of this year before we start worrying about next year. And at the end of the day no one of any importance really gives a rats what any of us think anyway. ;D

 

[Tigerfan]

Heard where DDT?

a respected internet richmond barracking 'draft watcher'

i hope you're right though Disco.

Although a good even deep draft simply allows all the clubs to improve to the same degree: except those who trade their picks away.

 

[yandb]

this years draft is reportedly one of the best ever . so thinking that we can trade a player to get a first round pick is wishful thinking. when claw and co were going crook last year for not drafting enough players i pointed out that even as far back as last season that this years draft was going to be big. miller and terry knew this and drafted accordingly now they are in a position to take advantage of a deep draft year.

it makes good sense to dip deep into the draft pool when the quality is deep. when the quality is not so deep you only take as many players as you belive are quality.


to improve your list you must draft better players better than the ones you are delisting.  just drafting for drafting sake is a reciepe for a weak list.

 

[craig]

I will stick my neck out and say that the delistings and trade offers will concern the following, not all but most certainly those to go will come from the following.


Stafford   -  One year too many for Staff.

Gaspar    -  Game has passed him, pure and simple, too slow now, great spoiler but lacks skill and rebound.

Moore      - At 190 cm not KPP and does not have a spot in the side nor is there one for him with both  
                 Bowdens, Kellaway,Hughes, Schulz, Pettifer, Patto,Thursty ahead of him and too injury prone.
                 Doubtfull he is up to it  anyway. Also with a few new talls to come and Limbach and McGuane,  
                 Kels time is up.

                 
Chaffey    - Has courage is tough, but lacks skill and he is not part of the future.

Krakouer  - See Krakouer thread.

Hartigan  - Seems on the outer with TW. Father played for Bombers so could be a candidate for trade to Ess who are looking for runners and i have a feeling this one could very well be on the cards.

Tivendale  - Mr Turnover, Mr Soft. See Tivendale thread.

Humm   - Has a go but not the answer, Depth player only, and we need more at the moment.

Rodan  - Lacks awareness, get caught with ball and hasnt really shown a great deal even taking inj into  
             account. Should not have been re signed for 2 years.

Hall       -  God where do i start

Roach    - Think contract is up and not done much even before injury and in fact went backwards, has 10  
               weeks to show something of worth.

Limbach - has struggled away from coburg 2nds and off contract - maybe delist and re draft as a rookie.

McGuane - only on list as contract is up and has not be re signed.

It is safe to say that 6 up to 7 or hopefully 8 of this list wont be at RFC next year, with Stafford, Gaspar, Chaffey, Humm and Moore certainties for the axe if you ask me so theres 5 and i think we could quite easily knock off 2 or 3 more out of that list without too much pain.

There are no agendas here but it is not unreasonable that all these blokes should be looked at seriously for delisting or trade offer. In the case of Limbach he  could be delisted and redrafted as a rookie which would allow for more time to develop as opposed to wasting a senior list spot.

If this draft is so great then the tiggies have to get fair dinkum and go in with a handy number of picks ie 6 with maybe a PSD leaving a senior list spot to accommodate 5 rookies.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I will stick my neck out

How novel of you Craig.
Not like you at all to post who you think will go at the end of the year.. :rofl

 

[craig]

:hihi :hihi :hihi

Ahh Oldie my dear man good to hear from you

List Culls are the most exciting time of the year or have been for me over the past 10 years :hihi

 

[Tigerdog]

I will stick my neck out and say that the delistings and trade offers will concern the following, not all but most certainly those to go will come from the following.


Stafford - One year too many for Staff.

Will retire

Gaspar - Game has passed him, pure and simple, too slow now, great spoiler but lacks skill and rebound.

Too early to call but looks shakey

Moore - At 190 cm not KPP and does not have a spot in the side nor is there one for him with both
Bowdens, Kellaway,Hughes, Schulz, Pettifer, Patto,Thursty ahead of him and too injury prone.
Doubtfull he is up to it anyway. Also with a few new talls to come and Limbach and McGuane,
Kels time is up.

Seems to be liked by the coaching staff. May be kept if he can stay injury free and prove some worth as a third tall. Chance to stay.


Chaffey - Has courage is tough, but lacks skill and he is not part of the future.

06 will be his last.

Krakouer - See Krakouer thread.

May be traded if any interest can be found.

Hartigan - Seems on the outer with TW. Father played for Bombers so could be a candidate for trade to Ess who are looking for runners and i have a feeling this one could very well be on the cards.

Agreed

Tivendale - Mr Turnover, Mr Soft. See Tivendale thread.

Another 1 year contract will be offered and accepted IMO.

Humm - Has a go but not the answer, Depth player only, and we need more at the moment.

Agreed. Will probably be cut due to list numbers.

Rodan - Lacks awareness, get caught with ball and hasnt really shown a great deal even taking inj into
account. Should not have been re signed for 2 years.

Has a contract. But offers will be open if any clubs ask about him.

Hall - God where do i start

Will stay unless a good trade is put to us.

Roach - Think contract is up and not done much even before injury and in fact went backwards, has 10
weeks to show something of worth.

Will be given another year IMO.

Limbach - has struggled away from coburg 2nds and off contract - maybe delist and re draft as a rookie.

Agreed.

McGuane - only on list as contract is up and has not be re signed.

Will be signed for 1 year IMO.

It is safe to say that 6 up to 7 or hopefully 8 of this list wont be at RFC next year, with Stafford, Gaspar, Chaffey, Humm and Moore certainties for the axe if you ask me so theres 5 and i think we could quite easily knock off 2 or 3 more out of that list without too much pain.

There are no agendas here but it is not unreasonable that all these blokes should be looked at seriously for delisting or trade offer. In the case of Limbach he could be delisted and redrafted as a rookie which would allow for more time to develop as opposed to wasting a senior list spot.

If this draft is so great then the tiggies have to get fair dinkum and go in with a handy number of picks ie 6 with maybe a PSD leaving a senior list spot to accommodate 5 rookies.

IMO 6 with a max of 7 will be gone from the above list at the end of the year. Of course there are variables re trades, contracts, depth issues etc but 6 or 7 changes would allow us to draft 4 or 5 players (depending on trade outcomes of course) in the ND and 1 or 2 in the psd plus promote a rookie if needs be. And at this stage that isnt an issue.
Angus can be a rookie again next year. Not so sure about Howat but if he has what it takes he will be promoted this year and give us an idea.

 

[WesternTiger]

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its not just rodan and hall the fact we gave longish contracts to hacks like tivendale Krakouer pettifer chaffey etc when it was as plain as your nose they wouldnt be around in the long term is coming back to bite us. thats bad list management.
regardless of what draft it is we should be utilising at least 5 picks every yr and filling up the rookie list the name of the game is to keep on turning them over until you find a good one.useing just 3 picks each yr is a recipe for huge gaps in your list.

Claw forget the past re. this discussion we are talking 2005 and 2006. So in doing that can you explain to me how we could have got 6-8 kids last year and another 6-8 this year remembering the contracts (rightly or wrongly) that were/are in place?


WT, claw needs no help defending himself but I would like to add my 2 bobs worth.

Claw is referring to list management that goes back earlier than 2005/2006.  Giving players who had shocking 2002, 2003, 2004 seasons 2 and 3 year contracts is what he is referring to.  If this didn't happen we would have been in a better position to turn our list over.


Tigerjoe I know exactly where claw is coming from and he and craig knew this last year when they were calling for us to turn over 6-8 players. My point is we could not have and still drafted 6-8 kids this year.

 

[shawry]

just shows some will never be pleased.  Pettifer had a good year last year and I would have batted an eyelid and not been happy.

thts your opinion shawry as far as im concerned he was ordinary last yr. and ill rephrase just for you. most would not have batted an eyelid if he was delisted.and i have to say i am pleased with his efforts this yr but if i could get an early pick for him i would do it in a heart beat.

Mate I still disagree with you and it seems all but the ultimately negative have expressed my same view. Put your agendas aside and see Pettifer for what he is worth. 1st round pick now playing like one.