north melbourne v west coast eagles in perth?

[Tiger74]

The only specific club named was North Melbourne. Therefore it's relevant to comment on them.

What if's.

Allowing this once is bad enough, if the AFL allow West Coast to host more than 1 game a seasona gainst Victorian opposition we are bordering on an even further compromised competition.

I wonder how many of you all for this are amongst those who join the annual anti-Collingwood sook fest that rages once the draw is released...


When Collingwood get a favourable draw for ALL the same reasons as clubs sell games off to interstate venues

We're all no where near Collingwood or Essendon, so let's just give up on trying to do the hard work in making ourselves profitable and join the mad dash for interstate cash.

Yep ... ^ THAT is precisely the lazy, incompetent attitude I fear Richmond will take once the GC money is gone.

At least the clubs get something in return for the draw being biased in this way - we all get SFA from the Pies

On "lets just give up on trying to do the hard work in making ourselves profitable and join the mad dash for interstate cash", the club has been busting a gut to clean up our off-field mess, rebuild facilities and support services, and improve memberships and sponsorships with some good sustained success. To take the next step up however, some radical thinking is needed.

 

[meltiger]

At least the clubs get something in return for the draw being biased in this way - we all get SFA from the Pies

Hmmm.

Away fan walk up/member upgrades/likeliehood of FTA coverage at a North Melbourne game in comparison to Away fan walk up/member upgrades/likeliehood of FTA coverage at a Collingwood game...

No, no benefit whatsoever ...


There is a reason 15 clubs ask for a home game against Collingwood each season.

On "lets just give up on trying to do the hard work in making ourselves profitable and join the mad dash for interstate cash", the club has been busting a gut to clean up our off-field mess, rebuild facilities and support services, and improve memberships and sponsorships with some good sustained success.

& after all that hard work, our real profit is likely to decrease on last year when you compare apples with apples. What the club is doing clearly isn't good enough.

Taking the lazy interstate option is not the road to long term financial security.

To take the next step up however, some radical thinking is needed.

Agree.


Radical thinking does not have to include compromising the integrity and history of your club by selling games off to interstate venues.

 

[Tiger74]

Hmmm.

Away fan walk up/member upgrades/likeliehood of FTA coverage at a North Melbourne game in comparison to Away fan walk up/member upgrades/likeliehood of FTA coverage at a Collingwood game...

No, no benefit whatsoever ...


There is a reason 15 clubs ask for a home game against Collingwood each season.

& after all that hard work, our real profit is likely to decrease on last year when you compare apples with apples. What the club is doing clearly isn't good enough.

Taking the lazy interstate option is not the road to long term financial security.


Agree.


Radical thinking does not have to include compromising the integrity and history of your club by selling games off to interstate venues.

In your little scenario you forgot one thing. Kangas can still play their home game interstate, and get a Pies home game (depending upon the draw). The two are not mutually exclusive.

The reason clubs are looking interstate for cash is Melbourne has 10 clubs killing each other here, while interstate they are desperate to pay for even a token game. Its foolish to ignore that opportunity completely.

 

[meltiger]

In your little scenario you forgot one thing. Kangas can still play their home game interstate, and get a Pies home game (depending upon the draw). The two are not mutually exclusive.

I didn't suggest they couldn't do both?

Was just putting the thought out there about those who sook about Collingwood's draw compromising the competition, which you so kindly obliged in a sense, with those who think selling home games to West Coast isn't compromising the draw.

The draw is beneficial to Collingwood for exactly the same reason it's going to be beneficial to West Coast should this scheme be approved by Vlad and his team.

I honestly look forward to seeing those who approve of North Melbourne's moves here not particpating in the annual uber sook fest that goes on regarding Collingwood.

We wouldn't want to be hypocrites of course

The reason clubs are looking interstate for cash is Melbourne has 10 clubs killing each other here, while interstate they are desperate to pay for even a token game. Its foolish to ignore that opportunity completely.

BING BING BING

Be financial or die. It's that simple. Compromising the competition in this fashion does NOT help the Victorian clubs in the long term. Put simply, not one single person has ever been able to define how such moves helps a clubs long term viability. Be it in this argument here, or the many Ian and I have had with the rest of the board re: GC. No one has ever been able to explain how the short term dash for cash helps in the long term. It does nothing but artificially inflate your position.

Sooner or later people need to accept there are simply too many teams in this city to survive. 9 needs to come back to 7 minimum, probably even 6. Be it through merger, relocation or demotion to the VFL, sooner or later it must happen.

 

[Ian4]

better to give up one home game than go bankrupt

I know you two would rather RFC (for instance) collapse than play less than ALL home games in Melbourne, but its a pragmatic world, and clubs have to do what they need to in order to survive. If this is what the Kangas need, so be it.

my older brother follows north melbourne. when the gold coast relocation issue came up he said "i would rather see north fold than relocate intersate." and i saw his point.

but the bigger issue for mine is the fact that a powerful club is trying to buy a 12th home game at the expense of a poor club. it just doesn't sit well with me and it shouldn't sit well with anyone.

Its not like its innovative thinking, the ELP were looking at playing premier league games in Europe and other overseas destinations not that long ago. We are talking interstate.

its not an equal comparison. the EPL were gonna play a 39th game... no one was losing or selling off a home game to a more powerful team.

 

[Tiger74]

I didn't suggest they couldn't do both?

Was just putting the thought out there about those who sook about Collingwood's draw compromising the competition, which you so kindly obliged in a sense, with those who think selling home games to West Coast isn't compromising the draw.

The draw is beneficial to Collingwood for exactly the same reason it's going to be beneficial to West Coast should this scheme be approved by Vlad and his team.

I honestly look forward to seeing those who approve of North Melbourne's moves here not particpating in the annual uber sook fest that goes on regarding Collingwood.

We wouldn't want to be hypocrites of course


BING BING BING

Be financial or die. It's that simple. Compromising the competition in this fashion does NOT help the Victorian clubs in the long term. Put simply, not one single person has ever been able to define how such moves helps a clubs long term viability. Be it in this argument here, or the many Ian and I have had with the rest of the board re: GC. No one has ever been able to explain how the short term dash for cash helps in the long term. It does nothing but artificially inflate your position.

Sooner or later people need to accept there are simply too many teams in this city to survive. 9 needs to come back to 7 minimum, probably even 6. Be it through merger, relocation or demotion to the VFL, sooner or later it must happen.

Lets compare the equity of your Pies example - you get a home game with the pies (which at least 5 melb based clubs will get anyway : and you make 100k to 500k depending upon your stadium deal and if you have a profit share with the Pies.

OR you sell to WCE for $650k. Not sure how your math works, but $650k is a heck of a lot better than anything the Kangas will get from dealing with the Pies (given their awful stadium deals).

I get the feeling you would prefer we all go back to the VFL, but that ain't happening. Its now a national competition, and clubs are mad if they don't take advantages of the opportunities. Out of interest, you still pissed we sold our soul and left Punt Road? :hihi

 

[Mrs Richo]

I'm surprised noone has thought of our game last week against the dogs

The dogs home ground is The Dome
We played OUR HOME game at the Dome (against them)

Who had the advantage?

 

[Streak]

Who had the advantage?

Anyone who left at half time.

 

[meltiger]

Lets compare the equity of your Pies example - you get a home game with the pies (which at least 5 melb based clubs will get anyway : and you make 100k to 500k depending upon your stadium deal and if you have a profit share with the Pies.

OR you sell to WCE for $650k. Not sure how your math works, but $650k is a heck of a lot better than anything the Kangas will get from dealing with the Pies (given their awful stadium deals).

Firstly, the clubs were negligent in signing bad stadium deals. They can scream via the media about the big bad people At Etihad & the MCG but incompetent administrators signed those deals.

Secondly, whether you think the deals are worthwhile or not, and you are speculating at best as to any profit made from games against Collingwood ... The clubs themselves ask for games against Collingwood, then people sook, *smile*, moan and cry like little girls about the "favourable" treatment Collingwood recieve... Yet we all sit back and applaud North for this move which is going to result in a favourable draw for West Coast who have a FAR greater home ground advantage than the Pies do? Please.

I get the feeling you would prefer we all go back to the VFL, but that ain't happening. Its now a national competition, and clubs are mad if they don't take advantages of the opportunities.

How does me suggesting clubs who are not financially viable in the national competition be thrown out of the league make you think I want to see the return of the VFL?


I love my interstate junkets thank you :hihi

Out of interest, you still p!ssed we sold our soul and left Punt Road? :hihi

Yup, comparing moving 200 metres across the park with playing games out the back of Broadbeach is comparing apples with apples

 

[meltiger]

Anyone who left at half time.

 

[Tiger74]

Firstly, the clubs were negligent in signing bad stadium deals. They can scream via the media about the big bad people At Etihad & the MCG but incompetent administrators signed those deals.

Secondly, whether you think the deals are worthwhile or not, and you are speculating at best as to any profit made from games against Collingwood ... The clubs themselves ask for games against Collingwood, then people sook, b!tch, moan and cry like little girls about the "favourable" treatment Collingwood recieve... Yet we all sit back and applaud North for this move which is going to result in a favourable draw for West Coast who have a FAR greater home ground advantage than the Pies do? Please.



How does me suggesting clubs who are not financially viable in the national competition be thrown out of the league make you think I want to see the return of the VFL?


I love my interstate junkets thank you :hihi

Yup, comparing moving 200 metres across the park with playing games out the back of Broadbeach is comparing apples with apples

my numbers for the Collingwood game are based upon likely outcomes. If RFC got $90k to the Dreamtime game, they were saying we could get $500k. I reckon thats the peak, and given break even for the G is around 20-30k (off memory), I put $100k as a conservative minimum.

Given the kangas rarely pull a $60k+ crowd, its fair to assume therefore their likely outcomes are closer to 100k that 500k

As for you being a VFL fan, I've assumed that from that fact you have bagged relentlessly the Brissy Tigers fans looking forward to this game at the GC, and the fact you seem to put your put your personal access to the game above all others. In my experience, most who talk like that still resent the national comp, and want to go back to Vic teams only

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

I have zero sympathy for North supports, electing a President who tell members what they want to hear rather than the truth. Surprise surprise Brawshaw hasn't been able to fix anything, the club is still desperate for money still and the club lost their chance to become viable again through moving to Queensland.

Maybe they can call Dyson Hall-Lacey in to act a consultant on how to convince members that everything going to be fine as the club sinks beneath the waves.