Operation Nakia Cockatoo

[pahoffm]

No need to be so sensitive Phanto, you might want to point out my crap because I'm confused. From my understanding you rate Cocky below

Duggan
De Goey
Ellis
Garlett
Blakely
Gore
McLean
Neal-Bullen
Clem Smith
Vickers-Willis

Is this a correct assumption? Or am I speaking crap?

And all the players you and I have listed above are very good juniors too.
Those boys above should be a combination of 1st and 2nd round choices.

Cockatoo should be picked before the end of the 2nd round.
As I stated, my concern relates to his possession rates and disposal efficiency compared to other juniors.

Though, when I look closely at the information available, there's not much in between my 2nd round and my 3rd round preferences.

But, that's not writing him off.

 

[bullus_hit]

And all the players you and I have listed above are very good juniors too.
Those boys above should be a combination of 1st and 2nd round choices.

Cockatoo should be picked before the end of the 2nd round.
As I stated, my concern relates to his possession rates and disposal efficiency compared to other juniors.

Though, when I look closely at the information available, there's not much in between my 2nd round and my 3rd round preferences.

But, that's not writing him off.

So you rate him around the 35-40 mark?

 

[pahoffm]

So you rate him around the 35-40 mark?

Yes, that would be about right.

What is apparent is the depth of this year's draft pool.

Damn glad that we didn't go trading away our early picks.

 

[pumped]

Strutter at 33 - sounds good.

 

[Chimptastic]

Strutter at 33 - sounds good.

Everybody says he's lookin' good

 

[Aegean Tiger]

Can understand the seduction at 12.........but very much high risk high reward proposition.

 

[pumped]

Callum Twomey has him ranked 24

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Everybody seems to go with the masses and rates players around where everybody els does - Callum Twomey seems to have a wankfest with Ellis
He is the only person rating Ellis so highly lets just hoe Francis Jackson isnt with Callum in the room

 

[Carter]

Strutter at 33 - sounds good.

Any relation to Steamer?

 

[bullus_hit]

Everybody seems to go with the masses and rates players around where everybody els does - Callum Twomey seems to have a wankfest with Ellis
He is the only person rating Ellis so highly lets just hoe Francis Jackson isnt with Callum in the room

Twomey hasn't had Cocky in his top 25 all year, he's late to the party it would appear.

 

[Foxtrot]

Everybody says he's lookin' good

Can't let this sneaky KISS reference go unrewarded - nice work.

 

[Stylo]

Twomey hasn't had Cocky in his top 25 all year, he's late to the party it would appear.

In fairness, would you have had him in your top 25 before the GF curtain raiser?

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Twomey hasn't had Cocky in his top 25 all year, he's late to the party it would appear.

Well in my opinion Ellis is a #15-#25 Range player and certainly believe he would be a massive reach for us, I wouldnt take him until after #25 TBH

I rate Cockatoo highly for a number of reasons
He wants to be a AFL player and is hungry
Family are Football people and are/will be extremely supportive and wont allow him to give up
Fantastic athletic ability combined with Perfect body size and height
As a 17 year old who just turned 18 to have the physical attributes this kid has - He will be a beast
Watching him play just screams Dustin Martin / Brett Delidio cross to me ( Dangerfield has been mentioned by others)
Whilst on a 2 week training with Kangaroo's , He impressed everybody there including their senior coach and development coaches
What he displayed whilst injured overseas and his involvment screams team player/ Leadership

As i have mentioned many times This kid could grow another 2-3 cm and become an extremely difficult matchup as a inside/outside midfielder that could rotate foward and kick 3-4 goals and turn games - They say Risk - THERE IS NO BLOODY RISK This kid will play 200 games if ever i seen a player Nakia Cockatoo is a AFL Footballer waiting to Deliver.

Just Needs 18months - 2 years in an AFL Club learning the game plans and proper coaching to eliviate the flaws in his game which are mainly trying to do too much and do everything himself - But as i have seen in my life all talented and skilled kids always have the same issue's as juniors as they are usually so much better than other team mates and are expected to do these things and its not coached out of them but encouraged.

If francis Jackson Had any B**** He Wouldnt waste 1 second calling out his name at #12
Duggan
Weller
de Goey

All these players have flaws also but their flaws will be harder to fix than Nakia's

 

[Stylo]

All these players have flaws also but their flaws will be harder to fix than Nakia's

Gotta disagree with you there Turk. Cockatoo's main weaknesses in my eyes are decision making, composure and disposal under pressure. All of which Duggan and Weller have in spades.

The *smile* reminds me of a taller and more contested version of Danyle Pearce - capable of the sublime but a bit frenetic and overzealous at times.

 

[St Kevin]

Gotta disagree with you there Turk. Cockatoo's main weaknesses in my eyes are decision making, composure and disposal under pressure. All of which Duggan and Weller have in spades.

The *smile* reminds me of a taller and more contested version of Danyle Pearce - capable of the sublime but a bit frenetic and overzealous at times.

Agree about Cockatoo's decision making under pressure. His highlights show this clearly too. Explosive at stoppages, but disposal lets him down.

I'm liking Weller a fair bit more than Cocky on further review, hope he's available.

 

[bullus_hit]

Gotta disagree with you there Turk. Cockatoo's main weaknesses in my eyes are decision making, composure and disposal under pressure. All of which Duggan and Weller have in spades.

The *smile* reminds me of a taller and more contested version of Danyle Pearce - capable of the sublime but a bit frenetic and overzealous at times.

Weller is easily the best of those two when it comes to disposal in the clinches. I think you are overrating Duggan's dispoal under pressure & underrating Cockatoo's. Cocky is a little like Dusty Martin & Patrick Dangerfield, you take the good with the bad but given they are contested ball winners their strengths outweigh their negatives. Cocky is also very dangerous on his non-preferred, he gets good distance and isn't afraid to wrong-foot the opposition.

This decision for me should be about upside, Duggan appears limited in his scope, I'd much rather grab a supreme athlete with a good set of skills and turn him into a true match winner.

 

[bullus_hit]

Agree about Cockatoo's decision making under pressure. His highlights show this clearly too. Explosive at stoppages, but disposal lets him down.

I'm liking Weller a fair bit more than Cocky on further review, hope he's available.

Weller is my preferred option too but Cocky isn't too far behind.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

Gotta disagree with you there Turk. Cockatoo's main weaknesses in my eyes are decision making, composure and disposal under pressure. All of which Duggan and Weller have in spades.

The *smile* reminds me of a taller and more contested version of Danyle Pearce - capable of the sublime but a bit frenetic and overzealous at times.

I really cant see the question as to his decision making , Perhaps you might be able to point me to where you believe his decision making is not good, If you are going by the highlight clip just about every single passage of play Nakia is involved in he actually 'Gets the ball himself' and delivers to a team mate and if you take notice the times that he takes his time to dispose of the ball he really doesnt have options foward and ends up going short or backwards to a team mate.

As i have mentioned previously his problem is he really tries to do too much & That isnt seen in the video but going off more from people i know that have seen a fair bit of Nakia .

The comparison to Daniel Pearce i really cant see, Nakia is more a Bull in the midfield and really goes in hard and more times than not he usually gets his hands on the pill and fights hard to extract , cant say i have seen this type of play from pearce alot

 

[bullus_hit]

I really cant see the question as to his decision making , Perhaps you might be able to point me to where you believe his decision making is not good, If you are going by the highlight clip just about every single passage of play Nakia is involved in he actually 'Gets the ball himself' and delivers to a team mate and if you take notice the times that he takes his time to dispose of the ball he really doesnt have options foward and ends up going short or backwards to a team mate.

As i have mentioned previously his problem is he really tries to do too much & That isnt seen in the video but going off more from people i know that have seen a fair bit of Nakia .

The comparison to Daniel Pearce i really cant see, Nakia is more a Bull in the midfield and really goes in hard and more times than not he usually gets his hands on the pill and fights hard to extract , cant say i have seen this type of play from pearce alot

This is overlooked continually, 64% of Cocky's possessions were contested in 2013, of course his DE will be down on the likes of Duggan. But I will add that he was a lot shorter and smaller in his freshman year, he has really filled out and looks as AFL ready as any of the draftees. We've been crying out for some x-factor for an eternity & when the opportunity arises many just adopt the glass half empty approach. How about being innovators for a change, we now have the tools to develop these guys into seasoned pros, clubs like Hawthorn & Collingwood have been successful because they have the balls to recruit project players. We seem to be so preoccupied with the safe options that we stand no chance of snaring the next Bontempelli or Brad Hill.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

This is overlooked continually, 64% of Cocky's possessions were contested in 2013, of course his DE will be down on the likes of Duggan. But I will add that he was a lot shorter and smaller in his freshman year, he has really filled out and looks as AFL ready as any of the draftees. We've been crying out for some x-factor for an eternity & when the opportunity arises many just adopt the glass half empty approach. How about being innovators for a change, we now have the tools to develop these guys into seasoned pros, clubs like Hawthorn & Collingwood have been successful because they have the balls to recruit project players. We seem to be so preoccupied with the safe options that we stand no chance of snaring the next Bontempelli or Brad Hill.

Exactly my point, Everytime Nakia is involved in play 8/10 its a contested situation with blokes either 10cm away or hanging off him and there will be DE issue's but that will all depend on how we decide to use him at senior level in conjunction with our existing mids. He will be a player and never a total bust

just have to have the 8***5 to take a chance with players like Nakia - He is what we need, We can always get the outside Mr vanilla types with #33 There is enough quality in this draft to get a good player with our 2nd/3rd selections that will be our usual type selections.