this is a sad thread. Too many people just enjoy bagging our own and other players. Ottens played some great games for Richmond, definately suffered some injuries ( true extent unknown) and has left the club. Big deal, the same scenario applies to Nathan Brown for Richmond. The definition of Loyalty in football is found in a cheque book and drafts and coaches, recruiting officers and Presidents. Instead of bagging players, enjoy cheering for Danny Meyer, part of the Ottens trade, enjoy cheering for Simmo, enjoy cheering for Lids because we came LAST and could take him according to the rules. Enjoy cheering for all the (PRE's favorite) duds who no longer play badly every week, but apparently to some, )PRE's) should be world beaters constantly since debut or every week in,week out. Good luck to Brad Ottens, don't want you back but good luck.