Our draft picks.

[Tygrys]

Yes I'm very silly, for some strange reason I think a lower draft is actually on the basis of sheer logic actually a better draft pick. And I don't believe in throwing away a top ten draft pick to secure a dud (God as I read what I'm typing, I realise you're correct, I never realised what a fool I was!!!). I mean lets face it, everyone was cueing up to get rid of their top 10 draft picks, I just thank God we had as smooth an operator as Miller to get rid of ours for us! (they do have a habit of making draft day very suspenseful and exciting - personally I don't need that kind of tension!). And of course you are totally right about the type of player that 'we' all want. Another flanking on ball midget. I know I'll be spewing if we miss out out on one of them and we have to pick Thorpe or a Riewoldt instead. But no chance of that now though. Yep roll on draft day - I'm happy ;D

Im sure if it was 11th to 15th you'd be going on about giving up a Top 11 pick. Seriously!

At pick 8 we had a half a chance that one of the absolute elite (especially one of the talls) might slip through to us in the draft. At 13 we have buckleys chance. I still think that a top ten pick is a precious commodity...I guess I'm just funny that way...

 

[Tigermad2005]

Time will only tell now.

 

[blx]

LMAO

The worst thing is that after a bad year where we experienced four 100 point beltings, and the fact that we are sooooo far from any type of success, and the fact that we are supposedly in a rebuilding stage, that our first pick won't come until 13 !!!  12 players, in a super draft, will be picked ahead of us.

Us finishing 9th was detrimental to our rebuilding, yet we decided to further downgrade our pick to 13, for a player (Polak) that is if anything average.  A club like Freo would not give him away if he was any good, especially when they are therabouts for a flag.

if you can garuntee pick 8 will be a better player than pick 13 then your argument has legs but the draft reality says that is not necasarily so.

pick1 the best player
pick2 the 2nd best player
pick3 the third best player
pick4 the fourth best player
pick..... so on and so on

wasnt Judd pick 3? must mean he's the third best player from that draft

 

[Bill James]

Very silly post, does that mean you are happy to give up pick 1 for pick 61. Off course not. The probabilities matter and quite clearly players at the top of the draft play more games on average than players from the bottom end. Its not until about pick 50 that the games played returns become random.

http://footygeek.com/content/view/1890/81/

 

[Dyer'ere]

Is it possible then to pass, on pick 58, then use pick 60?

Dunno, but would make a mockery of the rules if that were possible.

Right so far.

Once you pass you are out of the draft.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Some draft stats (only includes players who had not played a senior game before the draft and is not restricted to games played at original club). Columns are pick #, average games played, number of players on 2006 lists, and most games by a player


DP Avg 06 Player & Games
  1 105 13 Drew Banfield 265
  2 112 12 Nigel Lappin 257
  3 104 10 Steven Febey 258
  4  78 10 Peter Matera 253
  5  72  9 Joel Smith 204
  6  42  5 James Walker 141
  7  63  8 Leon Cameron 256
  8  77 10 Jared Crouch 194
  9  72  7 Martin Pike 247
10  61 11 Blake Caracella 187
11  61 10 Brad Johnson 278
12  61 11 Gavin Wanganeen 300
13  62  9 Shane Crawford 268
14  55  8 Adam Simpson 242
15  61 10 Scott Camporeale 245
16  69  9 Adem Yze 257
17  56  6 Angelo Lekkas 180
18  54  4 Anthony Stevens 292
19  54 10 Barry Hall 204
20  62  6 Adrian Fletcher 231
21  39  5 Matthew Nicks 175
22  35  8 Alistair Nicholson, Winston Abraham 110
23  31  6 Michael Long 190
24  50 10 Paul Licuria 181
25  58 10 Daniel Chick 233
26  45  8 Darrin Pritchard 211
27  50  9 Brendon Gale 244
28  31  8 Jason Johnson 170
29  56  8 Wayne Campbell 297
30  30  5 Richard Champion 183
31  49  8 Shane Wakelin 215
32  41  6 Brad Sholl 171
33  45  6 Shaun Hart 273
34  51  5 Daryn Cresswell 244
35  27  5 Mark Chaffey 166
36  43 10 Jonathan Hay 157
37  48  9 Matthew Rogers 197
38  34  7 Cameron Ling 135
39  50  5 Scott Russell 198
40  49  9 Michael O'Loughlin 247
41  26  5 Todd Curley 118
42  35  6 Andy Lovell 164
43  41  8 Adam Goodes 186
44  21  6 Heath Scotland 116
45  41  4 Matthew Scarlett 160
46  23  4 David King 241
47  57  6 Brent Harvey 216
48  38  5 Austinn Jones 226
49  55  5 Jarrad Schofield 206
50  60  5 Alastair Lynch 306
51  11  4 Clay Sampson 64
52  36  3 Rod Jameson 153
53  25  7 Michael Braun 186
54  17  2 Michael Sexton 200
55  43  5 Darren Jarman 230
56  74  9 Matthew Clarke 248
57  17  3 Andrew Embley 132
58  24  7 Nathan Lonie 81
59  23  3 Simon Tregenza 106
60  37  6 Brad Scott 168
61  17  3 Stephen Powell 142
62  32  4 Andrew Thompson 211
63  16  2 Fabian Francis 109
64  46  4 Cameron Bruce 146
65   1    Justin Cicolella 5
66  45  5 Andrew Schauble 167
67  39  4 Byron Pickett 195
68  14  3 Chris Hyde 69
69  27  2 Brad Sholl 171
70  33  4 Paul Williams 294
71  26  3 Andrew Kellaway 172
72  15  3 Brad Fisher 51
73  30  4 Ryan Houlihan 136
74  16    Brendan Krummel 74
75  26  2 Clint Bizzell 153
76  13  1 Rupert Betheras 85
77  29  2 Ben Dixon 185
78  31  1 Richie Vandenberg 137
79  68  3 James Hird 236
80   1    John Hynes 4
81  34  2 Troy Makepeace 139
82  31  1 Nathan Thompson 164
83   2    Matthew Shir 11
84  23  1 Josh Mahoney 89
85  39  2 Brad Scott 168
86  17    Kris Barlow 102
87  38    Damien Hardwick 207
88  20    Troy Bond 94
89  17    Paul Dimattina 131
90  34  1 Scott Burns 222
91   0
92  84    Jamie Shanahan 162
93  13    Paul Hills 63
94  30  1 Jade Rawlings 148
95  54    Tony Francis 161
96   6    Michael James 12
97   0
98  13    Adrian McAdam 36
99   2    Dermot McNicholl 3
100  44    David Pittman 131
101   0
102   0
103  81    Ben Harrison 161
104   0
105 112  1 Chris Grant 336
106  33    Craig Treleven 78
107  43    Darren Mead 122
108  20    Bryan Beinke 38'
109   5    Heath Shephard 15
110  17    Jeffrey Chandler 50
111   4    Tom Kavanagh 10
112  81    Ashley McIntosh 242
113   2    Shane Crothers 4
114   0
115   0
116   0
117   0
118   1    Scott Spalding 1
119   0
120   0
121   0
122   0
123   0
124 116    Brayden Lyle 116

Edit: Apologies to jb03, original post was missing draft selections #100+ from 1992 and has been amended.

 

[GoodOne]

Very silly post, does that mean you are happy to give up pick 1 for pick 61. Off course not. The probabilities matter and quite clearly players at the top of the draft play more games on average than players from the bottom end. Its not until about pick 50 that the games played returns become random.

http://footygeek.com/content/view/1890/81/

Well we can rest easy, according to that graph, Pick 8 has averaged around 57 games and Pick 13 around 50. Interestingly Pick 6 is under 30 games. I think that graph shows clearly that the first 3 or 4 picks in any draft are the best bets for success, and a mixed bag for maybe the next 20 picks or so, and so on. I just think on this basis that dropping from Pick 8 to Pick 13 will not hurt that much. Sure a player might drop to 8 but unless that is a 1-4 then the guarantees are no better than a Pick 13 anyway. Considering that there might be a very slight chance that a top 4 would drop to 8, would that outweigh the fact that we've now picked up Polak, who I believe on perecentage has a better chance of being a success than an 8th pick in the draft (certainly in the short-term, 3 to 4 years).

The only thing that was going to work in this trade was offloading pick 8 as Collingwood wouldnt have budged otherwise. Under that circumstance we had to trade our pick 8 for any chance of picking up Polak. The only improvement the way I see it is that maybe we didnt give up our 3rd round pick. Reckon we could have convinced Fremantle to make it a 4th rounder considering they were desperate to get that 8th pick. Other than that very well traded.

 

[jb03]

We should pass all the way down to pick 105 and use it. Any player taken at 105 averages 168 games for the club.

Agree pick 6 has been a bit of an anomaly. Doggies took Williams in the Deledio draft which hasn't helped.

 

[Tigerfan]

some players drafted closer to pick 1 can get games they may not deserve because they are being nursed or persisted with.

 

[lamb22]

I'd be happy for another Shane Crawford at pick 13, or Dal Santo.

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

Just looking at that list, What a great pick-up Ashley McIntosh was at Draft Pick 112

 

[Jools]

13, 26, 58, 63

The whole list and who has what?

ROUND 1
1. Carlton
2. Essendon
3. Kangaroos
4. Brisbane Lions
5. Port Adelaide
6. Hawthorn
7. Geelong
8. Collingwood
9. St Kilda
10. Collingwood
11. W/Bulldogs
12. Melbourne
13. Richmond
14. Adelaide
15. Sydney
16. West Coast
PRIORITY
17. Carlton
18. Essendon
ROUND 2
19. Carlton
20. Essendon
21. Kangaroos
22. Brisbane Lions
23. Port Adelaide
24. Hawthorn
25. Geelong
26. Richmond
27. St Kilda
28. Collingwood
29. West Coast
30. Melbourne
31. Fremantle
32. Adelaide
33. Hawthorn
34. Brisbane Lions
ROUND 3
35. Carlton
36. Essendon
37. Kangaroos
38. Brisbane Lions
39. Port Adelaide
40. Hawthorn
41. Geelong
42. Essendon
43. West Coast
44. Collingwood
45. W/Bulldogs
46. Melbourne
47. Essendon
48. Adelaide
49. Sydney
50. West Coast
ROUND 4
51. Carlton
52. Fremantle
53. Kangaroos
54. Brisbane Lions
55. Port Adelaide
56. Hawthorn
57. Geelong
58. Richmond
59. St Kilda
60. Richmond
61. W/Bulldogs
62. Melbourne
63. Collingwood
64. Adelaide
65. Sydney
66. W/Bulldogs
ROUND 5
67. Carlton
68. Essendon
69. Kangaroos
70. Brisbane Lions
71. Port Adelaide
72. Hawthorn
73. Geelong
74. Richmond
75. St Kilda
76. Collingwood
77. W/Bulldogs
78. Melbourne
79. Fremantle
80. Adelaide
81. Sydney
82. West Coast
ROUND 6
83. Carlton
84. Essendon
85. Kangaroos
86. Brisbane Lions
87. Port Adelaide
88. Hawthorn
89. Geelong
90. Richmond
91. St Kilda
92. Collingwood
93. W/Bulldogs
94. Melbourne
95. Fremantle
96. Adelaide
97. Sydney
98. West Coast

 

[TigerMasochist]

Good to see that Polack has just about reached the average number of games for a fourth round pick and is still only 22. Anything he does from 07 onwards is a bonus ;D
Hopefully he can slot in well with our mob of youngsters and take the step to becoming a consistent senior footballer. 70 games at age 22 means he has completed his football apprenticeship.
The disappointment of missing Freos finals campaign this year should be a huge spur to motivate him into getting the best out of himself for the rest of his career and ensuring he never misses out again.