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Our Kick Ins and leadership. 2 Points

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Shirtfront

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Oct 3, 2006
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1. I've been very dissapointed with our kick ins this year.

I've watched the boys at training also and more often than not Newman decides to play on and kick it to a contest albeit furhter upfield.

If they don't try the long kick we seem to take forever to kick it in and have no options, our first mark is about 20 metres out and on the boundary giving us few options with the next kick.

We are predictable, no change in kick out options ever, just don't see the huddle or an attempt at anything different.

When you control the ball as in at kick ins you should be able to control the next apsseg of play, yet we don't seem capable of doing it.

Is it a lack of skills or belief, or lack of instructions from the coaches?

2. When our intensity drops off no one shows any leadership to get us moving again, with four minutes to play last week I watched Newman as the ball was about to be thrown in and he did not utter a single word or show any physical presence.

I think it's imperative that we keep talking to each other, show encouragement, lead by example etc... We are sorely missing leaders, with that said, I can't wait to see Cousins play on Sunday. ???
 
Leadership ....................................

The clubs only REAL leader is a 31 year old import (premiership player, Brownlow) and reforming addict.

Cousins stands head and shoulders above any others as a leader at this club.

In my view embarrasses the captain in Newman ................... but then again im of the opinion Newman should never have been captain anyway.

Cousins legacy at the RFC wont be games played it will be the education hes given how to go about training and playing.
 
Been pretty disappointed in Newie's kick ins this year as he is usually pretty accurate.
Though I reckon it often says as much about the targets he is looking towards up field as much as looking to lay sole blame on him.
 
Cousins legacy at the RFC wont be games played it will be the education hes given how to go about training and playing.
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couldn't agree more

and it was only our (supporters) threat (metaphorically) to burn down punt road that got him there in the first place!
 
This is an area that can indicate the innovative thinking of a coach, and thus far Jade has come up with nothing new. Very disappointing. There must be dozens of potential ideas for kick in strategies.

In fact heres one I prepared earlier, while watching the Saints game;

Very hard to penetrate the Saints uber zone on the kickouts, many times the Tigers couldn't even get it past the defensive 50 without it bouncing back in for another score. How about a modified huddle? The old huddle the players huddled together, milling around with their defenders hot on theri tail before they would break to an open space.
Probably wouldn't work against the Saints because they would hold their zone, no space to break into. So instead you hold the huddle and kick the ball staight into the middle of it, a pack of 6 Tiger players one of whom should be able to mark, or failing that outnumber the opposition at the fall of the ball. The Saints are so well drilled at maintaining the zone, stop trying to pick the holes, go with safety in numbers and kick to outnumbered contests in your favour.

Just one idea from a couch potatoe, cmon Jade you should be able to do better than this??
 
We simply do not bring the ball in quick enough. Other clubs bring the ball in with ease and get it to the wing with no pressure.

We wait for the zone to be set, and then try and work out way through it.

On the weekend, a couple of times a NM player was having a shot, and Newman was standing 30-40m out from goal, and then wandered down to do the kick in. If you are taking the kick ins, get to the goal line and lets get the ball moving.
 
It's an issue that's more noiceable at kick ins but I've been disappointed with players not presenting themselves as targets up the ground in general. How many times do we see a player win the ball only to look up and find nobody to kick the bloody thing to. It's driving me mad.
 
Kick ins and leadership have been a problem for years.

When we kick a point the ball is up the other end in a shot, yet when we kick in from a point, we never seem to have any options to kick to.

As for leadership, who was the last good leader at our club....Dale Weightman??
 
Shirtfront's points he has raised are both a valid concern and is a product of Wallace, hopefully (I think I used that word last time around when we were looking for a new coach) our new coach can instill better free flowing kick in strategies according to how the opposition set up on our kick-ins. As for leadership, you can teach it but it comes from within an individual, some are born with it and some are not.
 
Our kickin set up has been appalling for years. Our opponents seem to walk the ball out of our defense with our players "covering space", yet our opponents actuall man up and give us little room. How dumb is our backline coach and how dumb is Newman to not have a mediocum of initiative to do a huddle??

It is far and beyond the worst part of our game..has been for years.
 
Future leaders - blokes with a bit of voice and grunt?

Possibly Morton, Polo?, Cotch, Jack , even TAmbo is starting to point the finger around and tell blokes what to do which is great.
 
This is an area that has hardly improved in the money man's time and Jade taking over as the interim coach has done nothing to rectify the problem.

I guess its hard for him to come in and change that. The reason i say this is that the players will , when the pressure is on revert to the old habits employed by the previous coach.

Newman when he kicks in is as predictable as night and day. He does one of two things and the opposition knows it all to well.

He is slow gathering the ball, slow to kick, slow to move it on. For such a beautiful kick and a leader just so poor.

Now there are reasons i feel for this :

1. Upfield there are no options.
2. Players slow to react
3. No leadership out on the field and as noted our leader is a 31 year old in his first season with us, which is an indictment to the club. This where Deleido should take Cuz's lead and work his butt off all over the ground if he wants to be an elite midfielder.
4. Dumb , lazy footballers , who dont work hard enough for eachother.


Lets hope whoever is our new coach rectifies this problem and others , like fitness and size.
 
Posted this elsewhere, but now there's a specific thread around it, I don't mind repeating myself.

Chris Newman should not be allowed to kick in after a point. Unbelievably slow, and frighteningly predictable. He always (and I'm not exaggerating, watch a replay) does one of 2 things:

1. Kicks it to a short to medium option on the boundary line to his left. Even when the opposition wakes up to it after he's done it five times in a row, he'll keep kicking it there - except now, it's to a contest. Dumb.

2. Kicks it to himself (which if you're playing for the opposition is code for "hey guys, I'm gonna torp this one just right of centre.. you know.. where our tall players are sort of jogging towards"), takes a few steps and then torps it just right of centre in the hope that Angus Graham might buck the trend and take an overhead pack mark against the 3 tall opponents who saw it coming a mile off.

Every other team in the competition seems pretty capable of kicking in quickly. Why does Newman take the full allotted time practically every single chance he gets? It's not as if he's not getting leads... he either lacks the confidence to hit them, or he lacks the confidence in the players making the leads. Either way, poor effort from a leader.

We looked SO much better when McMahon (or anyone else) was kicking in against the Roos, predominantly in the 1st half. Newman should be left around the wings as a link up man, as his delivery inside 50 isn't bad, and he's capable of kicking a long running goal (unlike 95% of our remaining midfielders). That being said, I'm not advocating McMahon as the guy to take the kick-in duties - too many turnovers in crunch situations for my liking. I reckon we should pull someone aside who won't be missed further upfield, like a Thursfield perhaps, and turn them into a specialist at fast, accurate kick-ins.

This isn't rocket science. It's so frustrating to watch pretty much every other team waltz it up to the wing against us on a regular basis while we handball in circles around the goalsquare until we give away a goal.

And don't even get me started on our total refusal to get anyone goalside whenever there's a boundary throw-in in the defensive 50... that almost needs a thread of its own.
 
BiddiscombeSkills said:
Posted this elsewhere, but now there's a specific thread around it, I don't mind repeating myself.

Chris Newman should not be allowed to kick in after a point. Unbelievably slow, and frighteningly predictable. He always (and I'm not exaggerating, watch a replay) does one of 2 things:

1. Kicks it to a short to medium option on the boundary line to his left. Even when the opposition wakes up to it after he's done it five times in a row, he'll keep kicking it there - except now, it's to a contest. Dumb.

2. Kicks it to himself (which if you're playing for the opposition is code for "hey guys, I'm gonna torp this one just right of centre.. you know.. where our tall players are sort of jogging towards"), takes a few steps and then torps it just right of centre in the hope that Angus Graham might buck the trend and take an overhead pack mark against the 3 tall opponents who saw it coming a mile off.

Every other team in the competition seems pretty capable of kicking in quickly. Why does Newman take the full allotted time practically every single chance he gets? It's not as if he's not getting leads... he either lacks the confidence to hit them, or he lacks the confidence in the players making the leads. Either way, poor effort from a leader.

We looked SO much better when McMahon (or anyone else) was kicking in against the Roos, predominantly in the 1st half. Newman should be left around the wings as a link up man, as his delivery inside 50 isn't bad, and he's capable of kicking a long running goal (unlike 95% of our remaining midfielders). That being said, I'm not advocating McMahon as the guy to take the kick-in duties - too many turnovers in crunch situations for my liking. I reckon we should pull someone aside who won't be missed further upfield, like a Thursfield perhaps, and turn them into a specialist at fast, accurate kick-ins.

This isn't rocket science. It's so frustrating to watch pretty much every other team waltz it up to the wing against us on a regular basis while we handball in circles around the goalsquare until we give away a goal.

And don't even get me started on our total refusal to get anyone goalside whenever there's a boundary throw-in in the defensive 50... that almost needs a thread of its own.
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Joel used to get it in pretty quick
 
Newman.

If you just kick the ball in it's not a stat.

But if you kick it to yourself, run to the edge of the square and kick it where you were going to kick it any way you achieve two things. You slow the play (taking your eyes off developments upfield). And you get stats. Long kick, RB 50, short accurate kick. All good stats.

Not a fan.

We really need some new plans in this dept. Every time Newman gets the ball I think we're out of ideas. FWIW this season we should give Bling the job. At least we'd be unpredicatable and we're putting work into Bling. And he can break a line.
 
craig said:
Leadership ....................................

The clubs only REAL leader is a 31 year old import (premiership player, Brownlow) and reforming addict.

Cousins stands head and shoulders above any others as a leader at this club.

In my view embarrasses the captain in Newman ................... but then again im of the opinion Newman should never have been captain anyway.

Cousins legacy at the RFC wont be games played it will be the education hes given how to go about training and playing.
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Focus on the footy Craigster. Cuz has done enough now to leave the offield stuff behind him.


I agree with your sentiments though. We certainly lack leadership, have for sometime now IMO.

I thank our lucky stars we drafted Cousins. I was dead against it at the time, but I have grown to respect what I think he has brought to the club as a leader, which can only help us moving forward into the future.
 
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