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[momentai]

So we either put gaspar and richo on the vet list (they're both eligible)   Salary cap issues aside.
or cut 2 more blokes.

  Which is what I said but I don't think we can simply put Gas and Richo on the vets list however as that will take us way under, maybe $450,000 to $500,000 under the min tpp. So two must go,which will create (less) room under the minimum tpp. For mine that shortfall would be best spent on a play for Sellwood.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

I don't think we can get Sellwood, the word is that Collingwood will take him.

 

[momentai]

According to todays Age Tivendale has one more year to run on his existing contract. Hall and Staff we are told have re signed as well and I think Krak has one or two more yrs on his contract. Chaffey wasn't said to have been one who was offered for trade which would suggest that he too is safe.

I don't like bagging our own but with the exception of Hall imo none of this gp are in our best 22.The decis to keep Staff in particular seems diffic to u/s? Why not invest instead in a Myer or even a Macinnan spell? in the pre season draft?

While I wd prefer to let go a Tiv / Stafford or Chaffey & make a big offer for Selwood, it instead looks to me like Greg will delist two more of our younger players, Roach and ? and go after maybe Green from WC in the pre season.

 

[Rosy]

Momentai who do you think should have been in our best 22 instead of Chaff, Staff, Krak and Tivva?

As soon as someone else is ready to step up and replace them I'm sure I hope it would happen.

I was really disappointed last year when Terry said players had 8 weeks yet nobody went back to Coburg all year.

I look forward to the kids stepping up to give us the depth to use Coburg as a coaching tool. We've had to see undeserving players getting a game week after week for years now when even just one week at Coburg could have lifted their performance heaps if they're made of the right stuff.

 

[dcstar]

Allowing for the departure of Archibald,Cambo, Graham,Hilton and Morrison and the arrival of Bowden plus Foley and Thirsty and three draftees, we will now have 36 players on our list. As I suggested on another thread I think our current commitments are at the min i.e. 92.5% of the 2006 tpp.This calculation, (guess), was made having regard to the cost of a first, second and third round draftee,as well as the cost of three extra rookies plus $750,000 for new contracts for Foley, Thirsty, Tucky and the rest of our 03 recruits.
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I'll think you'll find Casey has made statements that we are paying ~94.5% of the cap this year, so you might want to adjust your calculations with that in mind (and there will probably be hefty injury payment costs to Brown to be added in as well).

 

[momentai]

Couldn't agree more Rosey.

As to our best available 06 side,I am very very keen on Muston in the draft so he got a run too.

B Hartigen Gaspar Kellaway
HB Bowden (c)  Hall Johnson
C Bling Deledio Muston*
HF Coughlan Schulz Pettifer (just)
F Brown Richo Meyer
R Simmo Tuck Rodan
Res Hyde Knoble Newman Thursty.
Em Foley Patto Polo

David, how do the injury payments work.I imagined they were in place of normal salary?

My estimates are just guess work but if I am near the mark 94.5% rather than 92.5% wd give us what about $140,000 more which might allow us to have a go at Selwood, and at the same time put a bit of pressure on the pies?

 

[Bill James]

Momentai who do you think should have been in our best 22 instead of Chaff, Staff, Krak and Tivva?

As soon as someone else is ready to step up and replace them I'm sure I hope it would happen.

I was really disappointed last year when Terry said players had 8 weeks yet nobody went back to Coburg all year.

I look forward to the kids stepping up to give us the depth to use Coburg as a coaching tool.  We've had to see undeserving players getting a game week after week for years now when even just one week at Coburg could have lifted their performance heaps if they're made of the right stuff.

Rosy I supported the selection of the above four for most of the year, but next year I would see Staff playing a back-up role for Knobel and Simmonds. The gap between the other three and those pressing for their spots closed a bit toward the end of the year and you won't need much improvement from any one of 6-8 kids and they could all be under pressure for their spots particularly Krak, if B2 can stand up and kick 25 goals and Tambling and or Rodan can stay on the park Krak will be the highest paid VFL player going around.

Hyde and Tivva play very similar games and without injury Hyde could pressure Tiv. The replacement for Chaff is not immediately obvious, but tagging is mainly stamina and mental, it can click for some players over night so Jackson, Raines, etc could easily wake up and realise they can play that role which would put pressure on Chaff.

 

[TOT70]

Can both Richardson and Gaspar go on the vets list? Gaspar has completed the ten years service but won't be 30 until next May. Is he still too young? Does anyone know?

If he can't then there has to be a delisting if we want to participate in the PSD. If Tiv has a contract that is a bummer because he is the logical choice. The only other options are:

delist a player, say Roach, Gilmour or Moore (this would be a shame)

leave Thursfield on the rookie list for another year. This has some merit and Essendon did a similar thing this year with Lovett-Murray. He can be promoted when there is a long term injury. Failing that someone can develop a sudden, mysterious case of Osteitis Pubis for as long as is necessary

or

payout Tiv and send him into the PSD. This allows us to upgrade him because we will take someone else. If there are no takers for him then we can pay him for a year to play at Coburg as a very expensive VFL player. They need senior players anyway and won't have the money to draft them. I doubt that Tivendale's salary will take us over the salary cap and this might just help Coburg out too. If no-one wants him in the PSD then his money is gone anyway. Of course he has to agree to this!

 

[GoodOne]

payout Tiv and send him into the PSD. 

Out of interest has anyone done this before? Payout a player under contract and send them in the PSD to be picked up by someone else?

Cheers

 

[TOT70]

payout Tiv and send him into the PSD.

Out of interest has anyone done this before? Payout a player under contract and send them in the PSD to be picked up by someone else?

Cheers

We did it last year with Zantuck. I'm proposing that we take it a step further. Make an arrangement with him whereby if someone picks him up they will pay basic wages as they invariably do unless a player puts a price on his head and we pay the balance of his contract. If no-one picks him up then Coburg will honour his contract by invoicing Richmond. I'm sure it can be done. He gets his full contract.

Look outside the square. He couldn't be traded, that's a shame for all concerned but it is the reality. If we don't want him and replace him on our list with someone we do want through the PSD it is the same result, just a bit more expensive. We have to support Coburg anyway and if Tivva helps them even in a small way it is still of benefit to the club.

 

[momentai]

Can't see why Tiv would want to agree to this. All we have the right to do is pay him out and delist him.

 

[craig]

SO almost 1&1/2 months ago was the last time we kick a ball in anger and we can not come up with one little trade.
Is it that our list is sh!t?
Is it that we are happy with our list?
Or is it that we do not have the balls to trade aname player?

All of the above!!!

TW and Miller have been fooled by Pettifer and Chaffey into thinking they can play, whilst Tivendale, and Hall are hacks and are viewed as such by the rest of the AFL whilst players such as Hyde, Krakouer, Schulz ect have not shown enough over the years to be attractive propositions.

The RFC overartes a lot of its players as do the supporters and as usual the committees are so *smile* scared of the supporters that they are to scared to entertain trading a player of higher value to obtain quality players that we need!

Look at the Dawx they are going to reap the rewards of tanking 05 with 7 or 8 draft picks in the top 20 two years running whilst we continue to put the Halls, Tivendales, Chaffeys, Pettifers, Staffords, Krakouers out on the field week in and out.
Tis no wonder the club is going nowhwere.

Thursfield, Deledio, Tambling , Meyer , Coughglan , Brown , Richardson , Johnson, Bowden and Simmonds are the players who will be part of the club 2 years from now which is sad that only 10 players would probably be very high chances of being at RFC in 07 - 08.
The fact that the rest of the club could be replaced is a very very very sad endichtment on the club and its management, player trading and recruiting over the past 5 - 10 years.

 

[Tigerfan]

Can both Richardson and Gaspar go on the vets list?  Gaspar has completed the ten years service but won't be 30 until next May.  Is he still too young?  Does anyone know?

yeh the AFL relaxed the rule...we can vet gaspar...even though he 's not 30 until may

 

[Richmond United]

SO almost 1&1/2 months ago was the last time we kick a ball in anger and we can not come up with one little trade.
Is it that our list is sh!t?
Is it that we are happy with our list?
Or is it that we do not have the balls to trade aname player?

Look at the Dawx they are going to reap the rewards of tanking 05 with 7 or 8 draft picks in the top 20 two yearsrunning whilst we continue to put the Halls, Tivendales, Chaffeys, Pettifers, Staffords, Krakouers  out on the field week in and out.
Tis no wonder the club is going nowhwere.

Thursfield, Deledio, Tambling , Meyer , Coughglan , Brown , Richardson , Johnson, Bowden and Simmonds are the players who will be part of the club 2 years from now which is sad that only 10 players would probably be very high chances of being at RFC in 07 - 08.
The fact that the rest of the club could be replaced is a very very very sad endichtment on the club and its management, player trading and recruiting over the past 5 - 10 years.

Another non-sensical rave.....Pattison and Polo were also top 20 picks yet you conveniently omit!  You plead for youth yet are critical of the youthful talent at the club.....paradoxical to say the least!

 

[the claw]

SO almost 1&1/2 months ago was the last time we kick a ball in anger and we can not come up with one little trade.
Is it that our list is sh!t?
Is it that we are happy with our list?
Or is it that we do not have the balls to trade aname player?

Look at the Dawx they are going to reap the rewards of tanking 05 with 7 or 8 draft picks in the top 20 two yearsrunning whilst we continue to put the Halls, Tivendales, Chaffeys, Pettifers, Staffords, Krakouers  out on the field week in and out.
Tis no wonder the club is going nowhwere.

Thursfield, Deledio, Tambling , Meyer , Coughglan , Brown , Richardson , Johnson, Bowden and Simmonds are the players who will be part of the club 2 years from now which is sad that only 10 players would probably be very high chances of being at RFC in 07 - 08.
The fact that the rest of the club could be replaced is a very very very sad endichtment on the club and its management, player trading and recruiting over the past 5 - 10 years.

Another non-sensical rave.....Pattison and Polo were also top 20 picks yet you conveniently omit!  You plead for youth yet are critical of the youthful talent at the club.....paradoxical to say the least!

ru not all kids are going to make it but just because the odd early pick doesnt make it doesnt mean we should stop drafting kids with early picks or trying to obtain as many as we can.i believe craig left pattison and polo out of the equation becase theres no guarantee that they will make the grade they are speculators because of deficiencies.

 

[Bill James]

It does seem that some people on this site think that kids are drafted for life. I agree with claw and craig, we need to draft 6 or more each year and cull the ones that are not making it after two to three years. There is nothing wrong with this and it will double our chances of winning lotto.

Sure we will cull a couple that go on and keep a couple that don't but we will be better off.

 

[craig]

SO almost 1&1/2 months ago was the last time we kick a ball in anger and we can not come up with one little trade.
Is it that our list is sh!t?
Is it that we are happy with our list?
Or is it that we do not have the balls to trade aname player?

Look at the Dawx they are going to reap the rewards of tanking 05 with 7 or 8 draft picks in the top 20 two yearsrunning whilst we continue to put the Halls, Tivendales, Chaffeys, Pettifers, Staffords, Krakouers  out on the field week in and out.
Tis no wonder the club is going nowhwere.

Thursfield, Deledio, Tambling , Meyer , Coughglan , Brown , Richardson , Johnson, Bowden and Simmonds are the players who will be part of the club 2 years from now which is sad that only 10 players would probably be very high chances of being at RFC in 07 - 08.
The fact that the rest of the club could be replaced is a very very very sad endichtment on the club and its management, player trading and recruiting over the past 5 - 10 years.

Another non-sensical rave.....Pattison and Polo were also top 20 picks yet you conveniently omit!  You plead for youth yet are critical of the youthful talent at the club.....paradoxical to say the least!

ru not all kids are going to make it but just because the odd early pick doesnt make it doesnt mean we should stop drafting kids with early picks or trying to obtain as many as we can.i believe craig left pattison and polo out of the equation becase theres no guarantee that they will make the grade they are speculators because of deficiencies.

Absolutely correct there Clawsy and the very reason i have not included Pattison, Polo, McGuane, Raines , Jackson and Hartigan as they are still being developed and assessed not cos i want them out. They are kids and i would much rather see the tigers side with these kids having a go instead of the same old dregs.
The tigers must continue to play youth and not play duds such as the Halls, Tivendales, Chaffeys ect just cos they are in mid 20s which is almost as pathetic a reason for keeping Hall cos he is tall even though he cannot play and is a truck.
We need guys who can play AFL footy - FOOTY PLAYERS not stop gaps.
Buy keeping Hall and Tivendale for example we have been cost the cahnce of drafting two youngsters who will be better for the future of the RFC.
Give me Hartigan Jackson, Raines, Thirsty and hopefully another tall option and ill take them over Chaffey, Pettifer , Hall, Tivendale in the tigers run on side any day of the week!!!!!
Yes my tyrades are worn and i seem obsessed by this but i cannot stomache watching these duds waste my winters!
I wanna watch the Raineses the Meyers, the Tamblings, Thursfields , Pattisons , Jacksons and Hartigans bust in for the tigers not Tivendale , pettifer , chaffey , Hall , and Stafford.
The fact Stafford has been given another year is also a sad reflection upon the lack of young talls within the club at the moment, and only reinforces my belief that by not having at least 5 draft picks is going to retard the progress and development in this area of deficiency cos we cant draft the youngsters to develop these areas simple common sense!