our worst 22

[the claw]

lots of ferals putting up best 22 teams or future teams how about one that has no long term future that would arguably have to be our worst team.
imo not one player has a long term future at the club some may argue the odd player and that would be fair enough.
it just goes to show where we are truly at.
the sad thing about it is while wallace has been there he has regularly played and persevered with these players most could be termed regulars.
this alone just shows the incompetence that has occured and the lack of young players to come thru the ranks.

b/ bowden silvestor raines
hb/ mcmahon mcguane king
c/ edwards jackson johnson
hf/ pettifer pattison brown
f/ polak schulz jon
r/ simmonds tuck white
int/ graham polo hughes richardson.


doesnt make for pretty reading quite ugly in fact.

 

[Rosy]

Are you saying the senior listed players at Coburg are better than Richo? Who are the remaining 18 or so players that you rate better than the ones in your team above?

 

[Massai]

Raines I'm prepared to give him the rest of this season, after all he's missed a fair bit of football due to the knee reconstruction.

Jackson, likewise, he's played well in the last 3 or so games, but he has to be consistent and that means playing like he is for the entire season.

Richardson, his record speaks for itself. He may go on for one more season, he may not.

Johnson, bit harsh on a premiership winning player, who never really had a decent team to play with in the first place.

Polo, shoulder injury, just seems to starting to get some confidence going, again he needs to play out the season to determine his future.

Graham, also starting to get the hang of it, he's young and learning again the remaining games will determine how he goes.

Polak, pretty harsh given he's a bloody lucky boy to be alive.

If anything, what the players you've named shows, is just how poorly player development is focused on at Richmond. For decades now, the Tigers have selected young players and never gotten anywhere near their full potential due to the lack of necessary resources. Rotating Coaches even if they are in place for 5 years, the lack of player development resources shows up like a sore thumb. I bet a number of these players would have done a lot better if they were just across the road at the Lexus Centre with all its excellent player development facilities or WCE, the Lions etc.

 

[the claw]

Raines I'm prepared to give him the rest of this season, after all he's missed a fair bit of football due to the knee reconstruction.

Jackson, likewise, he's played well in the last 3 or so games, but he has to be consistent and that means playing like he is for the entire season.

Richardson, his record speaks for itself. He may go on for one more season, he may not.

Johnson, bit harsh on a premiership winning player, who never really had a decent team to play with in the first place.

Polo, shoulder injury, just seems to starting to get some confidence going, again he needs to play out the season to determine his future.

Graham, also starting to get the hang of it, he's young and learning again the remaining games will determine how he goes.

Polak, pretty harsh given he's a bloody lucky boy to be alive.

If anything, what the players you've named shows, is just how poorly player development is focused on at Richmond. For decades now, the Tigers have selected young players and never gotten anywhere near their full potential due to the lack of necessary resources. Rotating Coaches even if they are in place for 5 years, the lack of player development resources shows up like a sore thumb. I bet a number of these players would have done a lot better if they were just across the road at the Lexus Centre with all its excellent player development facilities or WCE, the Lions etc.

no what it shows is those players you mentioned were drafted with chronic deficiency something that is a recurring theme and something that has been shown time and again is insurmountable.

Are you saying the senior listed players at Coburg are better than Richo? Who are the remaining 18 or so players that you rate better than the ones in your team above?

no if you read the post at the start it included players who have no long term future. richardson is hopefully in his last season i think most would agree he certainly wont go past 2010 this clearly makes him short term.

most are in the team because of chronis weakness and a distinct lack of performance over the length of their careers.

of course we have development players who have done nothing but you are hardly going to lump your cotchins vickerys putts posts rances in a worst 22 they have hardly started.

 

[Massai]

If you're going to be harsh on some of these guys about player development, then look at Brett Deledio.

Draft Pick Number One, yet he's hardly been consistent, he's supposed to be a gun player, yet he's not even close. If he went to another club as the Number One Draft Pick, I reckon they'd get it out of him too. The boy's got talent, we've all seen it, but he doesn't seem to apply it consistently. Now Trent Cotchin has talent too, he seems to be applying the talent he's got effectively and consistently to date but that could change, but Deledio to me anyway is far from being a consistent effective player, who by rights given all the wraps on him, should be a match winner.

The player development at Richmond has SUCKED for DECADES. Players that are young come in with the skills they've got. Given the draft, that means that they are supposed to be the best young players from 1 thru 80 in the nation. Then its a question of how much development a club is prepared to put into the player.

I'll use the SAS as a comparison. Around about 10 out of a 100 possible's will get selected after their 3 week selection course, noting that they have already been in the Defence Force for a number of years. Now those 10 have only just started their SAS career and they are not "badged" members of the SAS. They still have some 18 months of solid training to go before they get the "badge". That costs a lot of money, in excess of $1 Million per trooper, which is a bloody lot of money, they cost almost the same to train as the RAAF's top gun fighter pilots. Even then the training is ongoing and it costs a hell of a lot of money to keep these guys finely tuned for what they do.

Clearly AFL players at age 17 are not fully developed in terms of their playing potential and it will take a number of years for them to get there, normally early 20's to realise their potential. So between 17 and say 20, the players should be bulking up, working on their pace, their disposal and decision making skills, plus if they show a bit of grunt, given the opportunity to play a few games of AFL. Then they find out just how far they have come and far they have to go to make themselves a permanent member of the AFL team.

The biggest problem at Richmond, is this rotating player policy into the AFL team, back to Coburg, but for whatever reason to me anyway, the weaknesses identified at AFL level at not being corrected back at the basic club level, which is why we are where we are today. Our player development programme has pretty much been non existent for years. Craigieburn will go along way to addressing that, but when its all said and done, its expensive to implement and operate on an ongoing basis, but if Richmond want to improve its playing list particularly the abilities of its younger players, its going to have to spend a bucket load of money to do so.

 

[Redford]

Richo in our worst 22. Interesting.