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Paddy Dangerdive

jb03

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Speaking of which, after Simpson was taken off, why wasn't there a ball up the same as when Vlossy went down.
The Cats player was playing on after the incident happened, there was no free kick or mark paid so surely there should have been a restart of the game.
But for some unknown reason the Cats player was allowed to have his kick when play resumed.
Menagola marked it
 
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KnightersRevenge

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I'm interested in how the people who see it as 'deliberate, dog act, blatant, lifted his arm etc' explain the complete lack of any remonstration from any Richmond player, despite the game being completely stopped for over 7 minutes and the incident being replayed multiple times?

Doesn't seem very Richmond man to watch one of your team mates be intentionally knocked unconscious and just stroll off into the huddle for a chat? The photo shows Nathan Broad standing next to Dangerfield right afterwards, and he certainly isn't backward in coming forward to fly the flag for his team mates.

To me the logical explanation is they all felt it was a normal footy collision with a really unfortunate outcome.

My issue with it was that it was two actions. He didn't just follow through on the punch. He punched, started drawing his arm back, then extended again. That means he had the chance to keep pulling his arm back and brace for the collision. I still think that would have meant Vlas makes contact with his shoulder and probably still ends up KO'ed. But to me it makes him responsible the action.
 
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tigre garçon

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Clearly... 2 arm movements:
1. To punch the ball away
2. To raise his elbow to connect with Flossy's jaw (rather than dropping it down to absorb the contact/impact)

Clearly... 1 leg movement:
1. To raise his right leg to brace for contact

Dangerfield:

"I didn't think there was much in it."
"I was trying to tap the ball away, there were three Richmond players coming towards me."
"Had it been something there would have been repercussions on the field and for everyone it is just play on, it is a contact sport."

Let, by Christian, go through to the keeper... bewildered!

.... and another thing that riled me regarding this unacceptable incident. Elbows walked away looking at his elbow and did not show a skerrick of concern for an unconscious Flossy! :mad:
 
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aoc1974

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.... and another thing that riled me regarding this unacceptable incident. Elbows walked away looking at his elbow and did not show a skerrick of concern for an unconscious Flossy! :mad:
I'm with you there. .... watch Jayden Short after Simpson is KO'd..... he's not even responsible for the incident but goes to check on him and is ordered by the ump to move away.
Then, when he's finally on the cart, he gives him a tap.

Our blokes don't get enough credit for caring about the opposition. ..... more than some of their own teammates!
 
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Eddie from Elwood

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I'm with you there. .... watch Jayden Short after Simpson is KO'd..... he's not even responsible for the incident but goes to check on him and is ordered by the ump to move away.
Then, when he's finally on the cart, he gives him a tap.

Our blokes don't get enough credit for caring about the opposition. ..... more than some of their own teammates!
No, we're unsocialble..........apparently.
 
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Eddie from Elwood

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My issue with it was that it was two actions. He didn't just follow through on the punch. He punched, started drawing his arm back, then extended again. That means he had the chance to keep pulling his arm back and brace for the collision. I still think that would have meant Vlas makes contact with his shoulder and probably still ends up KO'ed. But to me it makes him responsible the action.
Regardless, I'm confused why Richmond weren't paid a free for high contact. After the halt in play, the ump balled it up, surely it should have been a free kick.
 
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year of the tiger

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Regardless, I'm confused why Richmond weren't paid a free for high contact. After the halt in play, the ump balled it up, surely it should have been a free kick.

yes mistake number 1 by the umpire
My issue with it was that it was two actions. He didn't just follow through on the punch. He punched, started drawing his arm back, then extended again. That means he had the chance to keep pulling his arm back and brace for the collision. I still think that would have meant Vlas makes contact with his shoulder and probably still ends up KO'ed. But to me it makes him responsible the action.

yes mistake number 2 by the match review system

.... and another thing that riled me regarding this unacceptable incident. Elbows walked away looking at his elbow and did not show a skerrick of concern for an unconscious Flossy! :mad:

yes - mistake number 3 - it was deliberate and Danger knew it - he looked as guilty as hell and didn’t care one bit for the welfare of our player
 
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waiting

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Regardless, I'm confused why Richmond weren't paid a free for high contact. After the halt in play, the ump balled it up, surely it should have been a free kick.
Think because it’s was in play’.

That’s the reasoning I heard.
Someone can ‘clarify’ the rule.
 
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Ridley

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We should have had 2 frees in that pattern of play, the high on Vlastuin and then HTB against Ablett. Ball was out of his left hand and in free air when he actually got his handball away.
Yeah I said the exact same thing to my wife as we were watching the footy shows last night. Danger knocked Vlastuin out with an elbow to the face; no free kick. Then Cotchin tackled Ablett and the ball popped out then he hit it with his fist. That's a throw but of course no free kick paid.

It makes our achievements so much more impressive when you consider the continual poor run we've had from the umpires over the past 4 years in comparison to other clubs. They miss so many free kicks to us.
 
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mrposhman

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That doesn’t make sense Waiting does it - most high contact occurs in play

The umpire missed the free kick and allowed play to continue. When the play was stopped when it was evident how seriously Vlas was injured, the ball was in play and not in either teams possession so they started with a ball up.
 
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waiting

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The umpire missed the free kick and allowed play to continue. When the play was stopped when it was evident how seriously Vlas was injured, the ball was in play and not in either teams possession so they started with a ball up.
Three umpires and they ‘all missed it’.

Amazing
 
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Harry

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probably not intentional but definitely reckless. He had the option to grab the ball with both hands and ride the tackle but opted to leave his arm up high and only worry about his own safety. He *smile* himself when he saw vlasuin coming
 
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Fighting Fury

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I'm interested in how the people who see it as 'deliberate, dog act, blatant, lifted his arm etc' explain the complete lack of any remonstration from any Richmond player, despite the game being completely stopped for over 7 minutes and the incident being replayed multiple times?

Doesn't seem very Richmond man to watch one of your team mates be intentionally knocked unconscious and just stroll off into the huddle for a chat? The photo shows Nathan Broad standing next to Dangerfield right afterwards, and he certainly isn't backward in coming forward to fly the flag for his team mates.

To me the logical explanation is they all felt it was a normal footy collision with a really unfortunate outcome.
Not sure, but I can't recall seeing a replay at the ground.
They tend not to do that to reduce likelihood of players remonstrating Richo.
 

blx

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I understand the argument that it was 'in play' but it was still reckless.

Even if it was only 1% reckless, it is still reckless.

So the only lesson you can take out of it is you can now elbow a player in the head if they are 'in play' even if you are reckless.

That's what the system says which. That is why it has absolutely ZERO credibility.

The twist in the whole saga is the EXACT same incident will happen next year and it will be sent straight to the tribunal and the player will be rubbed out.

Being kind, its a rort.
 
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reckless intent from DangerElbow and Christian
 
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