pick your (RFC) coach and top ten players (flag 2011)

[Al Bundy]

Coach - Sheedy

10 players - we haven't got them yet !

 

[walhalla tiger]

o'k, this cost me a lot (shouting beers that is), but toured the pubs in Richmond today and as a result I will now put my money where my rugby ball mouth is.

Coach: Knights
Dir of coaching: Sheeds

Top 10. Lids, Foley, Patto, Polak, Reiwoldt, Hughes, Edwards, Thursfield, Casserly, Hughes
ably supported by King, Connors , Polo and at least 3 Cam Mooney types

 

[Liverpool]

Definitely don't want Sheedy anywhere near the coaching chair when he leaves (or gets sacked) from the Bombers.

He has achieved what he wanted at Essendon and will only come to Richmond as a "pension fund"....he wouldn't give a stuff, and I don't think we'd be any good under him anyways.

SAY NO TO SHEEDY!

 

[Rosy]

I reckon there would be nothing Sheeds would love more than to lift Richmond out of the doldrums if he had the opportunity.

 

[pokey]

Coach: Terry Wallace

1. Deledio (captain)
2. Tambling (Norm Smith Medallist)
3. Foley (Brownlow Medallist)
4. Riewoldt (Coleman Medallist)
5. Kreuzer (All-Australian Ruckman)
6. Natanui (We actually make the 8 next year, but the kid does his knee next year and slips to pick 10)
7. Conners (Despite getting suspended 3 times that year)
8. Peterson (Mark of the year)
9. Jackson (Goal of the year)
10. Tony Free's boy (Rising Star Winner)

A man can dream can't he?

 

[Liverpool]

I reckon there would be nothing Sheeds would love more than to lift Richmond out of the doldrums if he had the opportunity.

Rosy,
He had the opportunity at the end of '99 and turned it down, didn't want a bar of us....and used his position (and Richmond's at the time) to negotiate the best deal possible to stay at Essendon.

He has used our desperation of getting a good coach to his own personal advantage....(which is his prerogative and good on him for receiving extra $$$ from the Bombers to make sure he stayed at Windy Hill, the place he loves most)...but it should be also our prerogative to tell him to keep walking when Essendon feel they have gotten the best out of him.

 

[skybeau]

Interesting you say that Livers...David Parkin (I think) was saying on 774 tonight that when he was involved in the coach selection at Richmond in 2004, he spoke to Sheeds quite regularly. And David said Sheeds had two priorities: the betterment of the Essendon Football Club (as is to be expected) AND the betterment of the Richmond Football Club. Indeed, Sheeds would quite happily have left the Dons to come to Richmond, but he did not feel his work was over at Essendon at that point and felt that the club was not well placed for his departure. Which is IMO probably fair enough...

Sheeds is determined to get Richmond back to its once feared status and he's apparently using Essendon as a indirect means for that, when such activities don't adversely affect the club, of course.

Having heard this, I would strongly suspect Sheeds will head back to Richmond if he leaves Essendon for whatever reason. And I for one would welcome him.

You can call him a mercenary if you like (and good on him for eking out some extra cash from the Dons), but till 2004 he had not lost sight of the club at all, and I doubt that's changed in 3 years. He still loves the Tigers and I reckon Richmond will be the poorer if we, as you say, tell him to keep walking should he leave the Dons and come here. People with Sheeds' dedication and knowledge don't grow on trees you know...

 

[Liverpool]

Interesting you say that Livers...David Parkin (I think) was saying on 774 tonight that when he was involved in the coach selection at Richmond in 2004, he spoke to Sheeds quite regularly. And David said Sheeds had two priorities: the betterment of the Essendon Football Club (as is to be expected) AND the betterment of the Richmond Football Club. Indeed, Sheeds would quite happily have left the Dons to come to Richmond, but he did not feel his work was over at Essendon at that point and felt that the club was not well placed for his departure. Which is IMO probably fair enough...
Sheeds is determined to get Richmond back to its once feared status and he's apparently using Essendon as a indirect means for that, when such activities don't adversely affect the club, of course.
Having heard this, I would strongly suspect Sheeds will head back to Richmond if he leaves Essendon for whatever reason. And I for one would welcome him.
You can call him a mercenary if you like (and good on him for eking out some extra cash from the Dons), but till 2004 he had not lost sight of the club at all, and I doubt that's changed in 3 years. He still loves the Tigers and I reckon Richmond will be the poorer if we, as you say, tell him to keep walking should he leave the Dons and come here. People with Sheeds' dedication and knowledge don't grow on trees you know...

Sheeds is playing us for desperate fools, simple as that.

Makes me laugh that he told Parkin that he didn't go to Richmond because he felt his work at Essendon wasn't over.
After 20+ years and 4 flags at the one club, if anyone had finished his work at a club, then it would have been the Essendon/Sheedy partnership.
For Sheedy to say that and use that as some sort of excuse to stay at Essendon, over a club he purports to love which over the course of 25 years has been the worst in the competition, shows to me exactly what he thinks of the Richmond Football Club.

Remember, he may be a lifetime member of the Tigers, but he supported the Bombers as a kid, and only played for the Tigers because Prahran was in the Richmond 'zone' at the time.
He is a Bomber....and the sooner Richmond fans wanting Sheedy back realise this, the sooner we can get this notion of Sheedy as some sort of messiah coming to save the day out of our heads....and start moving forward.

 

[brigadiertiger]

2011 going for back to back. Would have been a hattrick if not for the bloody umpires in 2009 crucifying us.

Coach: Wallace

Deledio
Kreuzer
Coughlan
Brown
Polak
Thursfield
Hughes
Riewoldt
Tambling
Judd

 

[skybeau]

You just keep going on seeing the worst in people, Livers...but that's your way, I guess...not to take anything at face value, there always must be an underlying negative motive...

 

[Rosy]

Rosy,
He had the opportunity at the end of '99 and turned it down, didn't want a bar of us....and used his position (and Richmond's at the time) to negotiate the best deal possible to stay at Essendon.

He has used our desperation of getting a good coach to his own personal advantage....(which is his prerogative and good on him for receiving extra $$$ from the Bombers to make sure he stayed at Windy Hill, the place he loves most)...but it should be also our prerogative to tell him to keep walking when Essendon feel they have gotten the best out of him.

How on earth do you have confidential information about Sheed's contract negotiations? How do you know he loves Windy Hill the most?

He's been a successful coach at Essendon and was a successful player at Richmond. He still attends Richmond functions.

My personal impression is that Sheeds is a footy romantic who likes to do what's best for the game. I could easily imagine him being involved at Richmond in some capacity in years to come.

 

[Liverpool]

How on earth do you have confidential information about Sheed's contract negotiations? How do you know he loves Windy Hill the most?
He's been a successful coach at Essendon and was a successful player at Richmond. He still attends Richmond functions.
My personal impression is that Sheeds is a footy romantic who likes to do what's best for the game. I could easily imagine him being involved at Richmond in some capacity in years to come.

Rosy,
I would have thought that was pretty obvious.
Here you have a coach that has been at a club for nearly 20 years, and at that stage had won 3 flags at this club, turning into one of the most successful clubs in the competition, if not Australia.
On the other hand, you have this other club that this coach played for and supposedly loves.....it has been the worst team in the competition over the last 20 years, has gone through numerous coaches and players, and is crying our for guidance and help.
This coach has an option when his contract was up....go to the club he purports to love and help them? or stay with the club he also loves and is already successful?
He made his choice.

I have met Sheedy a couple of times at these Richmond functions you speak of.....one time was in the late-90's as part of the "Hafey's Ambush" function at Lincoln-on-Toorak. I chatted to him about coming back to Richmond as coach, and he gave me that stupid little wry grin and said, "You never know"...giving myself and other Tiger fans around us some sort of hope that he might be coming back to coach us.

Here we are nearly 10 years later, still no sign of Sheedy, but he is still playing on the hopes of Richmond getting him back as some sort of bargaining chip to keep his job at his beloved Bombers.

But I agree with you, I can imagine him being at Richmond in some capacity in the future.....maybe when Essendon sack him (and that is the only way they'll get rid of him), he can be Richo's boot-studder! ;D

 

[Tiger74]

Agree with Liv Rosy. Every time Sheeds contract comes up, he always winks about the talk of returning to Richmond, and starts stirring that pot every time.

Nothing against it, its a damn good tactic to make Essendon come to the table. I also believe he does have a spot in his heart for the Tigers. BUT, he has used us in the past to get better deals, and it is pretty common knowledge. Northey wanted the extra year to avoid his contract expiring the same year as Sheedy's because of the noises, and left as a result. Even Walls has said recently on radio that its true that Sheedy has used our interest in him to boost his dollar value at the table.

And lets not be too romantic about it all, I seem to remember someone posted recently that Sheed's liked the Bombers as a kid, and wants to be remembered as a Bomber at careers end. We are a nice part of his career, but at the end of the day he will always be a Bomber.

Hopefully we have woken up to ourselves, because if (god forbid) we chase Sheeds if he does leave the Bombers, I will fair dinkum spew

 

[mopsy fraser]

I won't start because have only been supporting the tiges for 9 years (rugby union man) and not born and bred in to it.

you`re just as entitled to speak about the club as anyone else mate.
no need to feel like you`re not as worthy as us life long supporters.

coach: terry wallace

captain: mark coughlan
vice captain: nathan foley
brett deledio
daniel conners
travis casserley
andrew collins
richard tambling
our 2007 #1 draft pick
our 2007 #2 draft pick
nathan brown

doorman: kevin sheedy.
this is the position sheedy has always said he will take up at richmond after his time at essendon is up.

when he was first appointed coach at essendon he said he thought he would only spend a couple of years at essendon and then return to coach richmond.
however after he started to be successful i don`t think he had any intention of coming to us, and only used us a bargaining tool when negotiating his future at essendon.

there`s no doubt he still loves richmond but he`s never going to be our coach.

 

[Rosy]

Yep Sheeds can be very cheeky.  I wouldn't blame him in the least for stirring the pot if he's continually barraged with questions about Richmond whenever his contract came up. Journos must drive people bonkers sometimes and the only reason I can think of for questioning him was that he used to play for us.  He's a professional coach and it's interesting he doesn't cop the same sort of interrogation about other clubs.

People seem so bitter about Sheeds but he was still coaching well at a successful club so it would always be likely he'd re-sign.  Did we ever make an offer to him or interview him and get rejected?  If not it's all speculation and we mighn't have wanted him anyway.

 

[Tiger74]

its on record we have made him an offer. last time I think was when the Bombers just missed getting into the GF after losing to Carlton (forget the year). Sheeds said he was ready to go but felt he had "unfinished business" and decided to stay.

 

[Rosy]

That's interesting thanks T74. I wasn't aware of that but I understand Sheeds' decision. How different things possibly could have been. I wonder which coach we got instead.

 

[gustiger12]

That's interesting thanks T74. I wasn't aware of that but I understand Sheeds' decision. How different things possibly could have been. I wonder which coach we got instead.

Yeah Rosy T74 is correct. After Sheeds went onto sign with th Bummers he said in a press conference it was a bit like having to choose between your son and daughter. A very difficult prospect. Sheeds used perfectly legimate tactics to negotiate his contracts, and to be honest don't think he had to do much, the media were happy to do it for him with the constant speculation. All Sheeds did was wet the whistle a little by dropping the odd line to a few question and away they went.

There was even an article in the Hun yesterday by Damien Barrett who was claiming that the sacking of the other coaches and speculation on a few others has kept the heat of Wallace. He finished his article with some throw away line like "Wallace must now be feeling the pressure...........especially now Sheedy is likely to be out of a job at the end of the year.

Strangely there was some talk on Tiger-talk about the article being removed from the Website.

 

[Tiger74]

That's interesting thanks T74. I wasn't aware of that but I understand Sheeds' decision. How different things possibly could have been. I wonder which coach we got instead.

Good point. They were also talking about this on AW (I think) the other day. Said it was in hindsight the perfect time for a change, and both clubs probably would have benefited.