Player attitudes

[tigerjoe]

In the past it has been players like Royce Vardy and Jay Schulz who did the wrong thing, they were/are far from being leaders/stars at our club.

When was the last time 2 senior players transgressed off field as Kane and Richo have this year?

What does it say about player attitudes at the Richmond Football Club.

Whilst what Richo did is truly insignificant, I truly thought he of all people would go through his career without such an incident.

As for Kane, a brain explosion of the highest order was something our juniors did not need to experience.

The question needs to be asked, what influence does Terry have on our playing group?

Do the players give their all like Sydney players do for Paul Roos?

Do the players respect Wallace like the Bulldogs respect Rodney Eade?

Do the players have a never say die attitude like the Roos?

Sadly the last coach to have a real positive effect on our team was John Northey.

Sadly Terry Wallace has lost the players respect (if he ever had it), its time to move on.

 

[tigers#7]

On FC the other night it was great to see how much the Swans players love there coach and how hes just like a mate to them. I hope Terrys like this with the younger boys at least.

 

[AstroboyUK]

Funny you mention this- just the other day I was having a similar daydream about our coaches - (no, Im not a TW critic) - and it occurred to me that the last time the club truly played 'like tigers' / 'like the tigers of old' was under Northly. I dont think any coach since has bonded our team and had them play with the same passion as he did. Northy's (perceived) problem that he wasnt good tactically - while with Walls & Wallace its much more about tactics.. but dont seem to be able to (or find important) have that blood-brother spirit. - at least thats how it looks from the outside.

Paul Roos proves that it is possible to have both. I think Rodney Eade does to some degree, and Malcolm Blight did to some degree too.

 

[Tigers of Old]

The question needs to be asked, what influence does Terry have on our playing group?

Do the players give their all like Sydney players do for Paul Roos?

Do the players respect Wallace like the Bulldogs respect Rodney Eade?

Do the players have a never say die attitude like the Roos?

They'd be a very good questions to ask a few of them privately for honest answers that's for sure.
On the face of it, Richo aside, it doesn't seem as though there isn't a lot of passion across the board at Richmond but it's unfair to suggest that from the outside. No doubt there is a heap of it.

Wallace at Richmond has always exuded a persona of a coach painting by numbers rather than passion.
The way he left the Doggies, flirted with sydney and joined the Tigers looked about as mercinary as we have seen from a professional coach.

I've often wondered whether he really cares as much for the team as he does for his own individual success.
I have also often wondered if the players subconsciously feel that as well.

That's one of the beauties of appointing a fresh coach to the role.
They totally and absolutely absorb themselves in their task as we have seen with Roos, Clarkson, Laidley, Worsfold etc. It almost does become personal.

However at the same time there are successful coaches in the league who have been down the beaten path before who also exude passion with their new clubs. Watching Malthouse in tears at the GF may have been funny but at least showed he cared for his players. Leigh Matthews is passion personified but harnesses it well.
It hard to get a clear picture and make sweeping statements.
A coach's role at the end of the day is not really to make friend's, they are there to win.
Unfortunately so far at Tigerland it doesn't look like Terry has achieved either..

 

[seven]

On FC the other night it was great to see how much the Swans players love there coach and how hes just like a mate to them. I hope Terrys like this with the younger boys at least.

Just like Sheedy when he would dress up like santa claus and get the players to sit on his knee.

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

On FC the other night it was great to see how much the Swans players love there coach and how hes just like a mate to them. I hope Terrys like this with the younger boys at least.

Different coaches have different approaches, and different teams require different approaches.

Matthews - probably the most successful current coach - is not mates with the players, but they all respect him (and are scared of him). He is more of a General (father figure perhaps) who is ignored at one's own peril.

Roos might be mates with the players, and it works for them. But Frawley also tried the 'mate' approach, and look where it got him.

With the younger blokes, I'd prefer rock solid leadership to mateship.

 

[IanG]

We definitely need a Matthews type to turn the culture around. If the culture is fine then the coach can be mates with the players.

 

[premiers2011]

We definitely need a Matthews type to turn the culture around. If the culture is fine then the coach can be mates with the players.

Yep a coach like Matthews or Malthouse that demand respect just by being who they are.
You hear it all the time from the players of those coaches about how intimidating they are etc,
to win their respect they would walk over hot coals for them (not Nigel Smart style

 

[Tigers of Old]

Yep a coach like Matthews or Malthouse that demand respect just by being who they are.
You hear it all the time from the players of those coaches about how intimidating they are etc,
to win their respect they would walk over hot coals for them (not Nigel Smart style

Reckon Choco & Worsfold are pretty intimidating as well.

 

[Tiger74]

Reckon Choco & Worsfold are pretty intimidating as well.

Woosha would have lost a bit though with his handling of certain substance use issues though.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Woosha would have lost a bit though with his handling of certain substance use issues though.

Yep Judd & Cousins.

 

[brigadiertiger]

Then we become like St. Kilda where we try to find a coach the player like because he is one of the boys not someone who makes them earn things. The moment we start firing coaches to appease players we are destined to stay at the bottom end of the ladder for a long time to come. The players are supposed to be professionals well they should act like professionals and do the job they are paid for regardless of whether they like the boss or not.

 

[Tiger74]

Then we become like St. Kilda where we try to find a coach the player like because he is one of the boys not someone who makes them earn things. The moment we start firing coaches to appease players we are destined to stay at the bottom end of the ladder for a long time to come. The players are supposed to be professionals well they should act like professionals and do the job they are paid for regardless of whether they like the boss or not.

Difference between being liked and being respected. I think its fair to say we have had coaches who may or may not have been liked, but in recent years we have had few who have been respected.

 

[Griff]

I'm really surprised to read this stuff. I mean, has anyone looked at our games this year?

We've had some bad games, but we've also had some games where our tackling has been ferocious, and support for each other has been excellent. I reckon that it was this that started to turn heads.

Watch the second half against Collingwood, then the Freo game...

Look at the Saints game. We smashed them in contested possession. That came from players playing for each other.

Look at the way we played the Doggies. Look at the first half against the Cats. We weren't in front by accident.

Time and again this year, we've won the hard ball, and been let down by skills and inexperience.

That will change.

I think there is a new spirit in the team. You can see it on the field. Sure, they dropped their heads in the Swans game, and after half time against Adelaide. But I reckon we'll see that spirit on display against Melbourne.

 

[RedanTiger]

Think the poor players are just confused. They know that even the coach doesn't really believe what he's selling them. The song has changed so often over the years.

That's the difference with the other coaches you name. They have absolute rock bottom faith in their own philosophy about the game. When Wallace came to us I wasn't too happy but a mate pointed out he had the doggies playing like they'd kill to win a game of footy. So I thought "yeah at least they'll play hard". Boy was I wrong. We even have the story from Brown about his new-age, sensitive style coaching.

 

[LeighW]

The problem is long ingrained and began at the top and filtered down... the top is better lets hope the rest gets better too.

While it wasn't AFL level, the best coaches I have had are ones who you didn't want to let down whether through fear or the early morning sprint sessions or through a mateship bond, sometimes both.

This is a relationship that needs to be formed between the players and any coach we have at the club. Being professionals is good enough if you are willing to see them go through the motions week after week and never put heart and soul on the line, club trades are done so often these days the passion for the club is slowly dying out. What is needed is a coach who the players want to win for, and this is what has been lacking at our club for a while now.

PS Tigers74 that picture at first glance looked Cousins-esque