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PREtend Cup game thread vs Freo
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Tiges67 said:
T67, OMG richo handballing to the oposition, daniel jackson shouldn't of in the first place handballed to richo put him under pressure immediately....Joel gets singled out because its blantandly obvious to all that he has been doing it for as long as people can remember meaning the "brain fades" ....
We aint talking about last year and the games where he did get us over the line well done to him, so ur saying its ok to pat him on the back when he does good and not good when people have a go at him, cant have it both ways...All im saying is he makes more mistakes than not, i go every week and watch replays too and what most people are saying is true....You're entitled to ur opinion like many others are entitled to theirs..
Joel takes a while to get going in a season. He'll probably be below par for most of the first half of the season. No one can doubt the importance of him in the second half of last season. I just hope that the club recognises his inability to contribute early and are not shy to play him at Coburg for a while until he gets going. We can't afford to carry blokes in the firsts waiting for them to hit their straps.
Joel "won us three games"? Give me a break! A guy with his experience should be playing at that level consistently...not when he is about to get the chop. Joel is a dud. He has mega brain fades and has cost us more games in the past few years with his eratic and poor disposal, sloppy decision making, indirect play and simpy getting caught out of position. The errors are more consistent than the right things. He should go the way of his brothers. Joel I think its time you started to devote a greatd eal more time to teaching, either in the classroom or at Coburg.
You can be the decimal point in our side when we have a string of injuries....Joel Bowden...our place holder.
You can be the decimal point in our side when we have a string of injuries....Joel Bowden...our place holder.
hmm i saw on two occasions where jackson made terrible decision errors one was with newman in the area freo went on to score a goal and newman didnt look to happy. hes not a natural footballer his decision making still leaves a lot to be desired.personally i think what you see now of jacko is what we are going to get i dont think theres a hell of a lot of improvemennt left in him.Col.W.Kurtz said:
Just noticed that there is a replay of the Freo _Tigers game on Foxtel in half an hour's time.
2.30 pm on Foxtel.
2.30 pm on Foxtel.
what are you saying. i didagree hes had the odd decent game but generally has failed. the jackson i saw in this game is no different to the jackson ive seen yrs ago. hes basically 23 at the start of the footy season hes played 50 odd games in his now 6th yr i dont think its drawing much of a bow to suggest what we have seen of him is all we are going to get.Baloo said:
coupled with all this where is he in the scheme of things as far as ranking him against other players in the midfield.
i would easily rank him behind deledio foley cousins cotchin connors thomson johnson edwards tuck coughlan newman tambling polo. he is typically the proverbial glass half full footballer that so many supporters fall in love with. im sorry we just have to aim a bit higher.
I generally don't subscribe to the "let's get rid of" mentality that is prevelant on PRE but I've got to say that I agree in this case.the claw said:
I remember when Daniel was being touted on TV as a great schoolboy prospect for us and I was looking forward to seeing him develop.
He gets the ball but he just ain't a midfielder. Crash & bash, unpredictable. Liked his long goal last year so if he keeps doing that then maybe.
Tango said:
I'd play him ahead of quite a few others too.
He's not great but he's certainly earning a game.
On Jackson, I think is has improved and will continue to improve. His kicking and decision making have improved out of sight. He always started as an athlete first and a footballer second so we have to be patient. On what we saw at the end of last season and in the NAB match he is clearly in our top 22.
That said he can't go backwards this season, and must stay in the firsts all season and continue to improve to avoid the axe at the end of this season - he has been on the list for 6 yrs.
That said he can't go backwards this season, and must stay in the firsts all season and continue to improve to avoid the axe at the end of this season - he has been on the list for 6 yrs.
He's been on the list five years. His first year was a write off as he was left to do his VCE. and only had a run in the last game or two of the season.Djevv said:
He's improved every year as he's been learning the game.
Starts his sixth year this season, from the way he played the second half of last year I'm pretty sure he will continue to progress and play most games this year.
Oh Claw, really sometimes............
"i would easily rank him behind deledio foley cousins cotchin connors thomson johnson edwards tuck coughlan newman tambling polo. "
Deledio, Foley, Cousins (after 18 months out), Cotchin (in second year and injured - again), Tuck ----- agreed
Connors, Thomson, Edwards, Newman, Tambling, Polo ------ all not yet up to Jacko's games or form as mids
Johnson, Coughlan ---- may be past it in probably last year in AFL.
Still at least you're consistent Claw.
"i would easily rank him behind deledio foley cousins cotchin connors thomson johnson edwards tuck coughlan newman tambling polo. "
Deledio, Foley, Cousins (after 18 months out), Cotchin (in second year and injured - again), Tuck ----- agreed
Connors, Thomson, Edwards, Newman, Tambling, Polo ------ all not yet up to Jacko's games or form as mids
Johnson, Coughlan ---- may be past it in probably last year in AFL.
Still at least you're consistent Claw.
the fact jackson has played 50 odd games is an indictment on where he is at.the fact hes in his 6th yr regardless of injury study etc is no excuse for the ordinary rubbish performances jackson has in the main dished up.RedanTiger said:
lets not kid ourselves a fit and going cotchin and cousins are on a different planet to jackson if fit you would not ever in a month of sundays pick jackson in front of them. the same can be said for coughlan the only way jackson would be picked in front of coughlan is if coughlan cannot come back. edwards in his short career has already showed more than jackson. newman no comparison the only reason newman has not got into midfield is because wallace is to dumb to play him there but when comparing the two as footballers its chalk and cheese.
its only my opinion but polo has shwn much more than jackson is smarter and younger still hes got some horrible deficiencies .doesnt say much for my assesment of jacksons career so far.
johnsons achievements as a footballer far outweigh jacksons what has jackson actually achieved to date.and where in the scheme of things are you going to place him. he will always be a dumb footballer.
heres a list of so called footballers who will get beaten in big pressure games its a list of players who have chronic deficiency that will not be overcome. its a list of players we just have to do better than.
raines. polak. bowden, mcmahon, pettifer, polo, mcguane, jon, schulz, pattison, hughes, white,silvestor. king, and jackson.
then theres those who have been okay but are past it imo.
bowden again, johnson, simmonds i reckon hes gone. perhaps cousins and coughlan.
theres others but because of time in the system we have to wait and see.
the real question that should be asked is what players from the two groups mentioned 19 players would you keep in front of jackson.imo hes in the middle somewhere to me hes just one draft away from delisting unless he improves out of sight and imo that just aint going to happen.
i will say it again people on here seem to think we have the list to win a gf when quite clearly we are nowhere near it.
finally before people rip into me i liked the idea of taking jacko in 2003 i would have taken him with a later pick, but thats neither here nor there. ive watched and waited and waited jacksons clock has gone past 12 he either shows hes up to this level or goes.
ive stayed away from jackson thru his career ive rarely bagged him all ive done is raise my concerns about his ability and his inabilty to learn. at 23 and 6yrs in hes been given a bigger go than most afl players to establish himself. the question has to be asked how bloody long do you wait for him to become just a half decent player. hes 23 ffs and in two yrs time he will be in the back half of his career, ordinary to sum him up to this point is being kind.
for this club to go anywhere it is high time we raised the bar above just plain old mediocre. and thats jackson to this point.