Progress...

[GoodOne]

Good post purepowertigers. Agree with you, development can only happen gradually. Are there any examples in the AFL of a team dumping their list in one go? I dont think so. Wallace has the experience to build a team, and in my opinion so far is on track and performed admirably. I think how we go next season depends on what happens at the draft table. I certainly think if a few more experienced players are let go, then next year could be a struggle for the youngsters, but realistically I think we have a good chance of making the finals next year. With our inexperience alot will depend on injuries on whether we can or not. Hopefully we have a good season with injuries. Brings a question, how do the Swans manage to keep their injuries down. Have again this year played the least amount of players in the season.

 

[WesternTiger]

In 2005 most of our wins were achieved by R9, largely on the back of outstanding performances from Brown and Richardson. In 2006 more wins, no Brown or Richo for big chunks of the season, younger side with more potential. Definite progress.

Yeah great call LTRTR

I think most people forgot that (me included)

 

[TigerMasochist]

Good post purepowertigers.  Agree with you, development can only happen gradually.  Are there any examples in the AFL of a team dumping their list in one go?  I dont think so.  Wallace has the experience to build a team, and in my opinion so far is on track and performed admirably.  I think how we go next season depends on what happens at the draft table.  I certainly think if a few more experienced players are let go, then next year could be a struggle for the youngsters, but realistically I think we have a good chance of making the finals next year.  With our inexperience alot will depend on injuries on whether we can or not.  Hopefully we have a good season with injuries.  Brings a question, how do the Swans manage to keep their injuries down.  Have again this year played the least amount of players in the season.

Plough did an article in the Hun about Sydneys lack of injuries said a lot of it stems from playing wrestlemania where its more like the old wet weather footy. Plenty of grunt and niggly bumps and bruises but none of the high speed run away train type impacts that you get with playing open running footy on the fast hard grounds.

 

[Tygrys]

G'day folks. I hate to say it, but, I think the reality is, we will most likely go backwards next year. This in itself is not a bad thing as it means more of the old gone and more young players brought in.

In hindsight it looks to me that RFC has chosen to clean out the old guard gradually, year by year, and I would suggest that by 2008, there will barely be anyone one remaining from the spud (Dud) era.

IMO I believe that Wallace has gone about the rebuilding of our list in the right manner, that is by doing it gradually. Bringing in 5-6 kids each year and trying to maintain a balance of youth and experience, rather than the Hawthorn version of throwing their youth to the wolves to learn how to finish bottom 4 for 4 years in a row.

In the process we have unearthed some quality kids who will be the backbone of our future success, and slowly weeded out the cancer before it infects the new brigade.

Next year will see more kids replacing older guys, while the ones who debuted under Wallace have gradually gained the kind of experience which will see them beome consistent performers.

I can pesonally live with the fact that next year will see us go backwards, only to see a considerable improvement in 2008.

Anyway, that is my 2 cents worth. :gotigers

Those Hawks who you just described as wolf bait have just ended the year with a 10 goal victory over a team above them to finish only two games adrift from us. Add to that the fact they got a first round priority pick last year and have cadre of young KPP players that we can only dream of (and from where we are in the ladder, I don't know how we'll be able to emulate). Oh and they'll also have pick 6 this year as opposed to our pick 8. Time will tell which approach will prove more successful in the long run, however evidence that the Wallace / Royal philosophy is superior is at the moment suspect to say the least.

 

[Jools]

In 2005 most of our wins were achieved by R9, largely on the back of outstanding performances from Brown and Richardson. In 2006 more wins, no Brown or Richo for big chunks of the season, younger side with more potential. Definite progress.

Too true. I'd rather a season like this, where the wins were spread throughout the season, than last year where we had a run then went phhht.

 

[zips]

G'day folks. I hate to say it, but, I think the reality is, we will most likely go backwards next year. This in itself is not a bad thing as it means more of the old gone and more young players brought in.

In hindsight it looks to me that RFC has chosen to clean out the old guard gradually, year by year, and I would suggest that by 2008, there will barely be anyone one remaining from the spud (Dud) era.

IMO I believe that Wallace has gone about the rebuilding of our list in the right manner, that is by doing it gradually. Bringing in 5-6 kids each year and trying to maintain a balance of youth and experience, rather than the Hawthorn version of throwing their youth to the wolves to learn how to finish bottom 4 for 4 years in a row.

In the process we have unearthed some quality kids who will be the backbone of our future success, and slowly weeded out the cancer before it infects the new brigade.

Next year will see more kids replacing older guys, while the ones who debuted under Wallace have gradually gained the kind of experience which will see them beome consistent performers.

I can pesonally live with the fact that next year will see us go backwards, only to see a considerable improvement in 2008.

Anyway, that is my 2 cents worth. :gotigers

Those Hawks who you just described as wolf bait have just ended the year with a 10 goal victory over a team above them to finish only two games adrift from us. Add to that the fact they got a first round priority pick last year and have cadre of young KPP players that we can only dream of (and from where we are in the ladder, I don't know how we'll be able to emulate). Oh and they'll also have pick 6 this year as opposed to our pick 8. Time will tell which approach will prove more successful in the long run, however evidence that the Wallace / Royal philosophy is superior is at the moment suspect to say the least.

I see you've rocked up with your Whorethorn gear on again Tygrys. :

 

[Tigers of Old]

In 2005 most of our wins were achieved by R9, largely on the back of outstanding performances from Brown and Richardson. In 2006 more wins, no Brown or Richo for big chunks of the season, younger side with more potential. Definite progress.

I don't really see your point.
That was almost two years ago.
We don't know if Brown will ever be the same player after his injury and Richardson is another year older.
This team is all we have. Who knows what next year brings?

You would like to think so to make yourself feel better but there is absolutely no guarantees whatsoever that we will improve next year or the year after that.

With every new season comes a whole new set of challenges.

Sorry I'm feeling a bit ill after yesterday's result.

 

[tiggytam]

IMO I believe that Wallace has gone about the rebuilding of our list in the right manner, that is by doing it gradually. Bringing in 5-6 kids each year and trying to maintain a balance of youth and experience, rather than the Hawthorn version of throwing their youth to the wolves to learn how to finish bottom 4 for 4 years in a row.

Hawthorn finished 11th. I think that was a pretty good effort.

 

[jonnomc]

If I hear TW say (again) that we have had a successful year and made progress I will fair dinkum spew!

We won one more game than last year and we were beaten by 100 points three times in the one year - the first time ever in our history.

Had it not been for a couple of goals to Staff in junk time in the last quarter, when the Eagles defenders cleared out the forward line in sympathy, it would have been four 100 point smashings in a season.

The last club to achieve that dubious honour was Fitzroy in 1996. Hmmmm...whatever happened to them? :-\ :-\

Well this is the 1400th tread started on this same topic. Here we go again.

 

[Rosy]

Well this is the 1400th tread started on this same topic. Here we go again.

Could you post links to the same threads so they can be merged please jonno.

 

[purepoweryouth]

G'day folks. I hate to say it, but, I think the reality is, we will most likely go backwards next year. This in itself is not a bad thing as it means more of the old gone and more young players brought in.

In hindsight it looks to me that RFC has chosen to clean out the old guard gradually, year by year, and I would suggest that by 2008, there will barely be anyone one remaining from the spud (Dud) era.

IMO I believe that Wallace has gone about the rebuilding of our list in the right manner, that is by doing it gradually. Bringing in 5-6 kids each year and trying to maintain a balance of youth and experience, rather than the Hawthorn version of throwing their youth to the wolves to learn how to finish bottom 4 for 4 years in a row.

In the process we have unearthed some quality kids who will be the backbone of our future success, and slowly weeded out the cancer before it infects the new brigade.

Next year will see more kids replacing older guys, while the ones who debuted under Wallace have gradually gained the kind of experience which will see them beome consistent performers.

I can pesonally live with the fact that next year will see us go backwards, only to see a considerable improvement in 2008.

Anyway, that is my 2 cents worth. :gotigers

Those Hawks who you just described as wolf bait have just ended the year with a 10 goal victory over a team above them to finish only two games adrift from us. Add to that the fact they got a first round priority pick last year and have cadre of young KPP players that we can only dream of (and from where we are in the ladder, I don't know how we'll be able to emulate). Oh and they'll also have pick 6 this year as opposed to our pick 8. Time will tell which approach will prove more successful in the long run, however evidence that the Wallace / Royal philosophy is superior is at the moment suspect to say the least.

Like I said, just my 2 cents worth. I didn't intend to upset all the Hawks fans on here, eh Tygrys. :hihi

 

[purepoweryouth]

IMO I believe that Wallace has gone about the rebuilding of our list in the right manner, that is by doing it gradually. Bringing in 5-6 kids each year and trying to maintain a balance of youth and experience, rather than the Hawthorn version of throwing their youth to the wolves to learn how to finish bottom 4 for 4 years in a row.

Hawthorn finished 11th.  I think that was a pretty good effort.

Alright they finished 11th. Gee they've done well haven't they Tigs?

 

[DC8]

Oh well, at least it generated a bit of debate and discussion. :clap

Roll on 2007!

 

[Tygrys]

G'day folks. I hate to say it, but, I think the reality is, we will most likely go backwards next year. This in itself is not a bad thing as it means more of the old gone and more young players brought in.

In hindsight it looks to me that RFC has chosen to clean out the old guard gradually, year by year, and I would suggest that by 2008, there will barely be anyone one remaining from the spud (Dud) era.

IMO I believe that Wallace has gone about the rebuilding of our list in the right manner, that is by doing it gradually. Bringing in 5-6 kids each year and trying to maintain a balance of youth and experience, rather than the Hawthorn version of throwing their youth to the wolves to learn how to finish bottom 4 for 4 years in a row.

In the process we have unearthed some quality kids who will be the backbone of our future success, and slowly weeded out the cancer before it infects the new brigade.

Next year will see more kids replacing older guys, while the ones who debuted under Wallace have gradually gained the kind of experience which will see them beome consistent performers.

I can pesonally live with the fact that next year will see us go backwards, only to see a considerable improvement in 2008.

Anyway, that is my 2 cents worth. :gotigers

Those Hawks who you just described as wolf bait have just ended the year with a 10 goal victory over a team above them to finish only two games adrift from us. Add to that the fact they got a first round priority pick last year and have cadre of young KPP players that we can only dream of (and from where we are in the ladder, I don't know how we'll be able to emulate). Oh and they'll also have pick 6 this year as opposed to our pick 8. Time will tell which approach will prove more successful in the long run, however evidence that the Wallace / Royal philosophy is superior is at the moment suspect to say the least.

I see you've rocked up with your Whorethorn gear on again Tygrys. :

Yep very constructive...All I said was that those supposed wolves the Hawthorn kids have been thrown to are looking more and more like poodles with each passing day. Well I could lie and say I believe that our approach of constructing a list has been better, and that we are far further adavanced than they are in winning a premiership, but then I really would be trolling wouldn't I? The comparisons between the two clubs are valid bearing in mind where they were two years ago (certainly the person who wrote the original comment that I responded to thought so). They are building a spine that could eventually win them a premiership, we barely even have one at the moment (unlike some here I don't believe Richardson will play forever, or that Australian rules football has suddenly become a game exclusively for midgets). And again needless to say they are better placed in the draft.
But I'll just ignore that, just like I'll have to ignore that out of our 11 wins, 7 were against the bottom 4 sides, or that we are still frequently suffering the massacres at Tigerland that Wallace said would be used as criteria for the assessment for our progress. The partial rebuild of Wallace and Royal is going great guns - keep up the good work boys!

 

[billyb#40]

Grannies are played at the MCG
so if you play less games at the MCG and more in Tassie then you will only win premierships when they are played in Tassie
Good luck to the Tassies

 

[Tigers of Old]

IMO I believe that Wallace has gone about the rebuilding of our list in the right manner, that is by doing it gradually. Bringing in 5-6 kids each year and trying to maintain a balance of youth and experience, rather than the Hawthorn version of throwing their youth to the wolves to learn how to finish bottom 4 for 4 years in a row.

Hawthorn finished 11th. I think that was a pretty good effort.

Alright they finished 11th. Gee they've done well haven't they Tigs?

Beat us too. :-\

 

[jb03]

IMO I believe that Wallace has gone about the rebuilding of our list in the right manner, that is by doing it gradually. Bringing in 5-6 kids each year and trying to maintain a balance of youth and experience, rather than the Hawthorn version of throwing their youth to the wolves to learn how to finish bottom 4 for 4 years in a row.

Hawthorn finished 11th. I think that was a pretty good effort.

Alright they finished 11th. Gee they've done well haven't they Tigs?

Beat us too. :-\

Beat? Flogged/humiliated.