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Pulling the wrong rein at critical forks in the road
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se7en said:
Gas was quoted saying "I really want to stay at Richmond" but didn't add "if the Tigers meet my demands for 5 yrs @ $500k p/yr" He held a gun to the clubs head knowing full well the Spud was desperate not to lose him. His return on investment from that day onwards was about as bad as any player in history.
And to think Pick 1 was on the table????
The Holland deal was going to go through with the Crows in exchange for K.Johnson,something to do with Johnson's salary as he was in the final yr of his contract with the Crows caused it to fall over.We got him 1 yr later.
The Fev deal fell over as Carlton wouldn't pay some of his salary & not because we wouldn't part with pick 8, & if i remember correctly just about everyone on here were screaming out to hold onto our picks & that they would be dirty on Wallace as he promised never to trade away 1st rd picks.
The Fev deal fell over as Carlton wouldn't pay some of his salary & not because we wouldn't part with pick 8, & if i remember correctly just about everyone on here were screaming out to hold onto our picks & that they would be dirty on Wallace as he promised never to trade away 1st rd picks.
Ghost of 29 said:
The no 1 pick wasn't on the table.Why would Freo offer the no 1 pick when they were trying to get him for nothing in the psd.We would have got a fringe player & mid range pick at best.He was one of the leading defenders in the comp at the time & it was just unfortunate for us that the team holding all the aces was from his home town forcing his price up even more.
Liverpool said:
I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this, but in our loss to the Demons, Bowden had a meterage gain of about 1150m for the match.
The highest i've seen all year from any other player in the competition (correct me if i'm wrong) is about 750 to 800m
In previous years Bowden has had a painful tendancy to go sideways and hold the ball up, but in the last 2 weeks he has been quite attacking (putting aside the running down of the clock in the dying minutes against the Kangaroos)
hmm forks in the road. keeping greg beck for so long. replacing him with miller. failure to recognise for the last 25yrs the imortance of the draft and funding it accordingly.
list manaement recruiting are the cornerstones of any club. only one other has been as poor as us and thats the other laughing stock of the afl the shockers. i suppose they had the good sense to take pav .
list manaement recruiting are the cornerstones of any club. only one other has been as poor as us and thats the other laughing stock of the afl the shockers. i suppose they had the good sense to take pav .
frickenel said:
Leysy certainly did, posted somewhere that Bowdens ball use has been tremendous the past two weeks.
Has used to the ball directly & to advantage. Barely missed a target as well. In good nick at the minute is Joel.
Leysy Days said:
His disposal has been good once we have the ball we is the best player in our back 6. He still frustrates me deeply as a player though, just does one or two little things a game where he takes a sort step or a soft option that undermines the leadership he should be giving to the club. He is just a little bit too prepared to compromise his attack on the ball for a senior player.
"I dunno 17. I don't remember but a search of the forum has many references to Bidders and pick 8.
This is a snippet from a Recruiting Blunder article by Rohan Connolly from 2003.
Richmond gave away its first two selections in the 1998 national draft to get Craig Biddiscombe from Geelong and Rory Hilton from Brisbane. They would deliver Jude Bolton to Sydney and David Wojcinski to Geelong. Not hard to pick the loser there. Nor, more significantly, via the Tigers' decision to use the No. 3 pick in 1999 on another lightly framed and still unproven running player in Aaron Fiora. (The picks referred to were 8 and 24 as BBC mentioned.)"
I haven't managed to properly check this out yet Rosy but despite Connolly's article, stick to my view that Biddiscombe was not swapped for pick 8.
Connolly, by listing Biddiscombe first, alludes to this, but that's merely another case of sloppy journalism.
Hilton was the main reason and (supposed) benefit of giving up our pick 8 to Brisbane, but the three club deal involved Geelong, and Biddiscombe was part of the sweeter. Or, at worst, swapped for our second round selection, but that's not how I remember it.
This is a snippet from a Recruiting Blunder article by Rohan Connolly from 2003.
Richmond gave away its first two selections in the 1998 national draft to get Craig Biddiscombe from Geelong and Rory Hilton from Brisbane. They would deliver Jude Bolton to Sydney and David Wojcinski to Geelong. Not hard to pick the loser there. Nor, more significantly, via the Tigers' decision to use the No. 3 pick in 1999 on another lightly framed and still unproven running player in Aaron Fiora. (The picks referred to were 8 and 24 as BBC mentioned.)"
I haven't managed to properly check this out yet Rosy but despite Connolly's article, stick to my view that Biddiscombe was not swapped for pick 8.
Connolly, by listing Biddiscombe first, alludes to this, but that's merely another case of sloppy journalism.
Hilton was the main reason and (supposed) benefit of giving up our pick 8 to Brisbane, but the three club deal involved Geelong, and Biddiscombe was part of the sweeter. Or, at worst, swapped for our second round selection, but that's not how I remember it.
The real scenario may have been even worse. I think we actually offered up picks 8 and 24 for Hilton (a highly rated junior and still very young at that stage) but felt that wasn't quite enough so Geelong, who were part of the deal, added Biddiscombe (who was acknowledged as only a bit player) as a sweetener. It was only recorded that pick 8 was swapped for Biddiscombe.
It is hard to follow but in a complicated deal involving many clubs, some research indicates the the wash up was:
Richmond gets Hilton (Bris), Biddiscombe (Geel)
Richmond loses Pick 8, Pick 24
Geelong gets Jason Mooney (Syd), Simon Arnott (Syd), Trystan Lynch (Bris), Scott Bamford (Bris), Pick 24 (Wokcinski), Pick 17 (Peter Street)
Geelong loses Martin McKinnon, Pick 5
Sydney gets Pick 8 (Jude Bolton), Pick 52 (Ryan O'Connor)
Sydney loses Jason Mooney, Simon Arnott
Brisbane gets Martin McKinnon, Pick 5 (Michael Stevens) which I think was on traded to Port for Adam Heuskes
Brisbane loses Hilton, Trystan Lynch, Scott Bamford
Connolly would have simply looked up the AFL website for drafting/trading history.
Interestinly, the 1998 draft top 10 was pretty poor but apart from Bolton, some good players were found in the top 30 including Mark McVeigh, Lenny Hayes, Josh Carr, Adam Rama, Brady Rawlings, Brett Burton, and Tyson Stenglein. Fevola was taken at 38.
It is hard to follow but in a complicated deal involving many clubs, some research indicates the the wash up was:
Richmond gets Hilton (Bris), Biddiscombe (Geel)
Richmond loses Pick 8, Pick 24
Geelong gets Jason Mooney (Syd), Simon Arnott (Syd), Trystan Lynch (Bris), Scott Bamford (Bris), Pick 24 (Wokcinski), Pick 17 (Peter Street)
Geelong loses Martin McKinnon, Pick 5
Sydney gets Pick 8 (Jude Bolton), Pick 52 (Ryan O'Connor)
Sydney loses Jason Mooney, Simon Arnott
Brisbane gets Martin McKinnon, Pick 5 (Michael Stevens) which I think was on traded to Port for Adam Heuskes
Brisbane loses Hilton, Trystan Lynch, Scott Bamford
Connolly would have simply looked up the AFL website for drafting/trading history.
Interestinly, the 1998 draft top 10 was pretty poor but apart from Bolton, some good players were found in the top 30 including Mark McVeigh, Lenny Hayes, Josh Carr, Adam Rama, Brady Rawlings, Brett Burton, and Tyson Stenglein. Fevola was taken at 38.
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