Putting teammates under the pump!

[skiptomystu]

Sorry if there is already a thread on it, but it just frustrates me....

How often, not just Thursday night, do our players fire out hospital kicks or handpasses that put their teammates under pressure!?

Raines is an absolute shocker for it, and is one reason why I don't rate him and never will until he can rectify this. He runs himself into trouble, then gives the ball too late, resulting in one of our guys getting crucnhed or a turnover.

Even Cousins did it a bit.

I know its not a massive topic to discuss, but until we get this error sorted out, we will continue to be a bottom 8 side.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Sorry if there is already a thread on it, but it just frustrates me....

How often, not just Thursday night, do our players fire out hospital kicks or handpasses that put their teammates under pressure!?

Raines is an absolute shocker for it, and is one reason why I don't rate him and never will until he can rectify this. He runs himself into trouble, then gives the ball too late, resulting in one of our guys getting crucnhed or a turnover.

Even Cousins did it a bit.

I know its not a massive topic to discuss, but until we get this error sorted out, we will continue to be a bottom 8 side.

sheez skip to even mention cousins in ur post is a low blow considering the guy hasnt played for nearly 2 years and he's coming back from we all know what, he could've turned the ball over countless times and he would've been forgiven in most peoples eyes....

 

[Phar Ace]

Sorry if there is already a thread on it, but it just frustrates me....

How often, not just Thursday night, do our players fire out hospital kicks or handpasses that put their teammates under pressure!?

Raines is an absolute shocker for it, and is one reason why I don't rate him and never will until he can rectify this. He runs himself into trouble, then gives the ball too late, resulting in one of our guys getting crucnhed or a turnover.

Even Cousins did it a bit.

I know its not a massive topic to discuss, but until we get this error sorted out, we will continue to be a bottom 8 side.

Look around Skip...........it's everywhere at this time of year....most clubs...even some of the good players....chill!

 

[mexican_radio]

Hey Skip, I noticed this "problem" on Thursday night, it was very frustrating to watch. There was a glaring example involving Cousins actually...he was stuffed after some hard running and someone handballed to him, then he was mobbed.

The thing I wanted to see was players think ahead a few moves. They seems to think getting a possession and performing a handball is their job done. What collingwood often did was have a safe outlet in a move I thought of as "overlap". Running to space and doing the smart thing when you *don't* have the ball is critical. I really hope we improve in this area.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

While I don't think this will be as big a problem once the real season starts with regular rules and they get the game plan working some players are serial offenders in this regard. Raines and McMahon are 2 of them. You probably can't change McMahon's game, but Raines can still have it eradicated from his game.

 

[skiptomystu]

Look around Skip...........it's everywhere at this time of year....most clubs...even some of the good players....chill!

But it doesn't just happen at this time of year for us. Throughout last year we always did it when put under any sort of pressure.

 

[the claw]

But it doesn't just happen at this time of year for us. Throughout last year we always did it when put under any sort of pressure.

absolutely right ferals are putting their heads in the sand when they say this time of yr. the problems have been there the yr before the preseason before that the yr before that the pre season before that etc etc etc. people should be disappointed because the indications are nothing has changed in this regard.

theres a flip side to the way people look at the nab cup. they say oh yeah its early days and players are rusty but in the nab cup there is less pressure and as such its less likely players kicks will break down under pressure if you cant execute in nab cup conditions its highly unlikely you will execute in real conditions.

raines edwards white polak mcmahon polo mcguane tuck jon coughlan pattison king joihnson richardson have always been average or poor kicks and nothing has changed and nor is it likely. and thats not all of it theres some decent kicks who are just dumb footballers and turn it over just as much.
while we have so many in the one team we will always struggle. you could have 8 ben cousins in your team but with that many deficient players you will still get beat.

yep in his 6th yr raines will all of a sudden turn it around thats just rubbish. the only option the club has is to be honest and recognise these players for what they are and go thru a proper upgrading process.
a side can carry 2 or maybe 4 absolute max but two thirds of your team it just cant be done.

 

[pete and tys]

quite right claw.
Seems a big problem finding skilled players in drafting.
Obviously there is a luck element,but we have been very poor in this area.
Unless an obvious choice,no 1 or 2 ,we have made poor selections when looking for skiled ball carriers in particular.
Dont understand this. It is blatantly obvious that some players cant kick or handball well, and clearly it is not possible to teach this or it would have been fixed.
So why are players with poor foot skills drafted?
It would be easier to draft skilled non athletes and physically train them than to draft athletes and teach them football.
Thats the problem in a nutshell and will take many years of good drafting to fix.
What we have is a mid range side and nothing can change that in the short term.
Looking forward to Cotchin and Cousins in the midfield. By the way..

the very first game Cotchin played last year... he was obviously much more skilled and football tallented than all other Richmond players on the ground. It was a revelation. I was amazed to see an 18 y old in his first game be clearly better than every one else!
Makes the reason for our poor ladder positions very obvious.

 

[RFC4eva]

Totally agree with your post Stu. Is so important that the players work hard off the ball to run and provide their team mates with better options...then, of course, need players to find the best option available.
I think it was more noticable at the game...TV made it look better than what it was!
I hope this area of our game improves significantly when the real season starts. It looked to me like the players could lift their running a notch or 2 once the season proper begins. Am trying to remain optimistic!! :fing32

 

[RedanTiger]

When I played and later helped coach football teams the coach invariably put up a list of team rules. Always among these were:
No U-turns
No handballs to a stationary target
Always shepherd after giving a handball
If in doubt, kick long down the line

Richmond do not follow these basic rules of football and I refuse to believe that they are either not necessary in the modern game or that the players don’t follow the coaches instructions.

We have played eight quarters of contested football in 2009 and have played seven of those with an indirect, possession-intensive, defensive game plan and been beaten by our opponents. In the third quarter of the match against Fremantle we played a direct, long kicking game and the players demonstrated clearly how much they want to play this style of game.

When your team is down by two or three goals at three quarter time you do not win the game by playing an ultra-defensive flood. This only gives confidence to your opponents, in this case Fremantle and Collingwood.

The thing that is beginning to really worry me about the Carlton game is that their defence is the weakest part of their team and if we play in the indirect, defensive way we have in the pre-season contests we are handing them a huge head start.

Was gutted about the coaching and our collective failure to acknowledge, let alone address, the issue.

 

[Scoop]

Undoubtedly over the past three years we would lead the league in handballs to a stationery target.

I think Kane Johnson would be the Usain Bolt of this, head and shoulders ahead of the rest. No one gets a handball flatfooted facing away from our goals like Sugar.

What ever happened to running the lanes? That is what we lack, someone to receive a handball from the defensive 50 and run off the back end of the square moving forward. Even with a rolling zone this is possible. Deledio did it maybe 8-10 times last year and when he is doing this we are usually playing good football. I would play Tambling the exact way that Essendon are using Lovett and Dempsey. Watch these two, they basically run in lanes along each wing starting from inside there own 50. When Essendon get the ball these two run straight and hard trying to link on to the ball coming out. It is almost route running NFL wide receiver style.

 

[Sir]

Hmmmm

Have to agree with this post - and loath as I am to admit it - Claw is correct in pointing out this has been happening for ages :-[

I quite like Edwards as a player - but if ever there was an excellent example of a hospital handpass it was last year (against Brisbane I think) - game in the balance - with Tambling running past - opposition player hot on his heels - and Edwards handballs it to Tambling - to which the opposition player lunged/dragged Tambling down - and immediate damaging turnover.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

Peripheral vision / relative velocity / momentum????????????

Me thinks players should spend more time at school

 

[Big Cat Lover]

When I played and later helped coach football teams the coach invariably put up a list of team rules. Always among these were:
No U-turns
No handballs to a stationary target
Always shepherd after giving a handball
If in doubt, kick long down the line

Richmond do not follow these basic rules of football and I refuse to believe that they are either not necessary in the modern game or that the players don’t follow the coaches instructions.

We have played eight quarters of contested football in 2009 and have played seven of those with an indirect, possession-intensive, defensive game plan and been beaten by our opponents. In the third quarter of the match against Fremantle we played a direct, long kicking game and the players demonstrated clearly how much they want to play this style of game.

When your team is down by two or three goals at three quarter time you do not win the game by playing an ultra-defensive flood. This only gives confidence to your opponents, in this case Fremantle and Collingwood.

The thing that is beginning to really worry me about the Carlton game is that their defence is the weakest part of their team and if we play in the indirect, defensive way we have in the pre-season contests we are handing them a huge head start.

Was gutted about the coaching and our collective failure to acknowledge, let alone address, the issue.

So simple but so true - our players forget the basics time and again - and the coaching staff must be answerable. What is the RFC gamestyle?

 

[Spirit of Jack]

Playing on at all costs, run & carry leads to putting team mates under the pump when playing against the rolling zone & flooding. Players just run into trouble.

Only players with genuine class can break it down with pin point penetrating kicks. How many of those have we got? Browny, Deledio, Cotchin...and now Cousins but I think that's it.

We just need to enjoy the big grounds when we can as they will suit our fast pace but low skills.