Tango said:
Lighten up Rayzor - you keep pumping up your tyres and ill keep deflating them, call it a difference of opinions
when you take a game by its neck and show your true value that you keep suggesting i will be the first to say i was wrong and praise you - until then i will keep the opinion that there is not a spot for you IMO
I don't have a problem with the fact you disagree Tango...that's what forums are for...it's more the fact that your contributions Re Hall are pure mockery and negative, biased opinion, rather than the facts or credible analysis which I feel all our players are due. I give you examples of Hall flying the flag onfield, tell you he's far and away the best boxer at the club, rather than challenge the undeniable facts, you throw your 'see-no-truth' blinkers on then giggle and mock like a schoolgirl when I suggest he's capable of taking on the 'enforcer' role we badly need someone to.
IMO you're taking the 'one-eyed supporter' thing just a bit too far when you perpetually fail to see or ignore the good things one of our own players does and can do, while massively amplifying, inventing and then virtually celebrating the bad.
Phantom said:
My conclusion on Hall is that he is 26yo, and as such is as good as he's going to be.
He may gain marginally from experience, but his general play will plateau now.
I'd argue that despite the time Rayzor has spent on the list, he's really only had two decent seasons to learn the game Phantom...2003 was a total washout with injury, prior to that he was basically an apprentice ruckman changing off the bench. One of those 'learning' seasons (2004) he played on every gun forward in the land with the league's worst midfield making sure it was the assignment from hell (not an ideal learning experience), last year he began to put it all together and by season's end was reaching performance peaks he'd never got near in the past.
When interviewed following those late 2005 matches, he said he'd just begun to learn he was capable of running through the pain barrier and beyond in a match. Not many midfielders can do that (certainly few on our list), and clearly Hall did begin to do it last year. He covered enormous territory in the Hawks match, looked dead on his feet at the beginning of the last qtr, yet lifted several more times and ran everyone Hawthorn could throw on him into the ground. In the end it was largely his new-found endurance which got us the result...and netted him brownlow votes in recognition of his efforts.
Hall spent five development years under Frawley...need we wonder why he's 26 and only now starting to learn what he's capable of? What genuine fitness can do for a player? Look at the other few who remain from the same era...all in the same boat except Coughlan who's exceptional.
I maintain that if Wallace can free Hall up and just let him run all day he'll cause enormous headaches for opposition coaches; provided of course that he can rediscover that level of endurance and run he found late last year. If he does he's going to be tough to stop...those tall enough would seldom be mobile enough, the few that were couldn't keep at it all day.
I'd like to see opposition coaches deal with three talls in the forward 50, plus Rayzor covering midfielder type distances out on a wing and through the centre...getting leather poisoning because the opposition have nobody left who is suitable to play on him. :hihi
jayfox said:
1. Hall - ... would like to see more consistancy.
That's a common perception of his game Jayfox, but I remember that last year at around mid season he'd only had 5-6 goals kicked on him and spent every game in defence or tagging a name player. He was by far our top defender from a 'goals conceded' perspective. I lost track after that, but I'd rate his 2nd half of the season as better than his first...however the stats fell.
He had a very consistent year in 2005 I think, would love to see him put together another 3-4 similar (hopefully better) ones though!
:rofl
