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PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
In light of the fact game threads where he makes a mistake get swamped in Ray Hall abuse and counterpoint, please direct your Rayzor abuse here and not the game thread, out of respect for those not interested in either.
My posts on the subject are as follows:
Facts are that if you take crap WA umpiring as correct decisions, J Bowden turned over two goals in the last quarter to Hall's one. Hall's error was a situation where the umpire always gives latitude, Bowden's were plain and simple disposal errors. Why single out only one for venomous comment? You're better than that General, you must have seen our midfield beaten all night and the defence play above themselves to keep us in the game. Beats me why you single out one defender for criticism - especially when he took a first class contested pack mark then twice in the last quarter got left with nobody creating an option in space for him like we had done previously all night. Poor form mate, very poor.
Zero - except to pick at individuals long after the event and hang it on them. Never anything positive to say, it's the Laff A Minute way...muttering in his bum fluff to himself when we win, skiting in public like a rabid drunken Collingwood supporter when we lose. Laff A Minute and Wish I Was Diggler, how good of them to take time out from filming their Darksider fantasies by themselves on Super 8 in a 1 room flat in St Kilda to throw in their ex-spurt opinion. :rofl
Facts are facts Momentai. Bowden turned the ball over twice in the same period in which Hall is being abused for making what amounts to an umpire induced mistake (one of Bowden's was also an umpiring mistake IMO with regard to the Polo 'mark'). Bowden's direct opponent kicked three goals, Hall's kicked one (on Bowden - I credit Hall with the blame because he kicked OOF to cause the ball coming back in), Hall didn't have a goal kicked on him from a one on one situation all night. He's now had 6 games for 7 goals kicked on him one on one by his direct opponent - find me a key defender in the AFL with a comparable record. Many so called 'champion defenders' have copped close to that tally in one game (Fletcher, Scarlett, Barry just for starters - Barry in one quarter). I'm not blaming Bowden one iota for our loss, I'm merely pointing out double standards. I think both JB and Hall did a good job and I'm sure Wallace will too...he's not silly enough to think that the ball ends up repeatedly in our defensive zone purely by circumstance - he looks at the complete picture...how the ball got there in the first place. Upfield mistakes get overlooked, defenders on the receiving end get unfairly crucified when we lose.
Hall is once again filling a defensive hole for us on a key forward because he can get the job done - ideally he'd be playing the role Pattison currently is across half forward (as Wallace has stated repeatedly). You lot are talking about axing a makeshift key defender giving up two goals away from home, one from poor disposal, the other from a very questionable umpiring decision - that's the laughable analysis IMO. There isn't a coach in the land that wouldn't take just a two goal deficit from a key defender on an interstate trip, especially seeing he cancelled one of them out by directly setting up a goal for us.
When we were so far behind in clearances all night over 100+ minutes of football it's just ludicrous to blame the defense at all - they very nearly made up for what the midfield lacked in first use all night. It was a fine effort down back from all concerned IMO. Without Coughlan's heroic efforts at the stoppages and around the ground we would have been beaten by six goals - he was the only midfielder who really won his position.
Time after time we lost the centre clearance all game - our brief rally in the last quarter where we got a little ahead was the first time we'd won consecutive ball out of the centre all night, and it was followed by 4-5 consecutive Fremantle game winning clearances. We lost the game where all games are won or lost - in midfield. Blaming defenders is myopic, emotional, convenient analysis which fails to account for the big picture IMO.
My posts on the subject are as follows:
The_General said:
Facts are that if you take crap WA umpiring as correct decisions, J Bowden turned over two goals in the last quarter to Hall's one. Hall's error was a situation where the umpire always gives latitude, Bowden's were plain and simple disposal errors. Why single out only one for venomous comment? You're better than that General, you must have seen our midfield beaten all night and the defence play above themselves to keep us in the game. Beats me why you single out one defender for criticism - especially when he took a first class contested pack mark then twice in the last quarter got left with nobody creating an option in space for him like we had done previously all night. Poor form mate, very poor.
rosy23 said:
Zero - except to pick at individuals long after the event and hang it on them. Never anything positive to say, it's the Laff A Minute way...muttering in his bum fluff to himself when we win, skiting in public like a rabid drunken Collingwood supporter when we lose. Laff A Minute and Wish I Was Diggler, how good of them to take time out from filming their Darksider fantasies by themselves on Super 8 in a 1 room flat in St Kilda to throw in their ex-spurt opinion. :rofl
momentai said:
Facts are facts Momentai. Bowden turned the ball over twice in the same period in which Hall is being abused for making what amounts to an umpire induced mistake (one of Bowden's was also an umpiring mistake IMO with regard to the Polo 'mark'). Bowden's direct opponent kicked three goals, Hall's kicked one (on Bowden - I credit Hall with the blame because he kicked OOF to cause the ball coming back in), Hall didn't have a goal kicked on him from a one on one situation all night. He's now had 6 games for 7 goals kicked on him one on one by his direct opponent - find me a key defender in the AFL with a comparable record. Many so called 'champion defenders' have copped close to that tally in one game (Fletcher, Scarlett, Barry just for starters - Barry in one quarter). I'm not blaming Bowden one iota for our loss, I'm merely pointing out double standards. I think both JB and Hall did a good job and I'm sure Wallace will too...he's not silly enough to think that the ball ends up repeatedly in our defensive zone purely by circumstance - he looks at the complete picture...how the ball got there in the first place. Upfield mistakes get overlooked, defenders on the receiving end get unfairly crucified when we lose.
Hall is once again filling a defensive hole for us on a key forward because he can get the job done - ideally he'd be playing the role Pattison currently is across half forward (as Wallace has stated repeatedly). You lot are talking about axing a makeshift key defender giving up two goals away from home, one from poor disposal, the other from a very questionable umpiring decision - that's the laughable analysis IMO. There isn't a coach in the land that wouldn't take just a two goal deficit from a key defender on an interstate trip, especially seeing he cancelled one of them out by directly setting up a goal for us.
When we were so far behind in clearances all night over 100+ minutes of football it's just ludicrous to blame the defense at all - they very nearly made up for what the midfield lacked in first use all night. It was a fine effort down back from all concerned IMO. Without Coughlan's heroic efforts at the stoppages and around the ground we would have been beaten by six goals - he was the only midfielder who really won his position.
Time after time we lost the centre clearance all game - our brief rally in the last quarter where we got a little ahead was the first time we'd won consecutive ball out of the centre all night, and it was followed by 4-5 consecutive Fremantle game winning clearances. We lost the game where all games are won or lost - in midfield. Blaming defenders is myopic, emotional, convenient analysis which fails to account for the big picture IMO.