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recruiting second ruckmen
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Ian4 said:
I'd give em Gumpus or Tivendale or Chaffey, Rodan or Gaspar or Moore or Krakouer or even try to give em Humm back!!
In fact id swap em all :hihi but theyd probably want Cogs or another player of his stature and for Gardiner i dont know if it would be wise but others would be better versed in such matters. The remainder of the season will reveal much much more anyways.
I will reiterate it was a strong rumour about Gardiner.
There are 3 things wrong with Gardiner:
1. He is already 26yo, which puts him up there with Hall, Simmonds & Knobel anyway. We need someone younger, 20-24yo.
2. He's already had a reconstructed knee and is battling with mobility problems.
3. Why would we want to bring someone into the club whom has an alleged drug habit. Imagine the harm that could do to the other kids, let alone the duty of care issues for the Tiger administration.
Gardiner, no thank you.
1. He is already 26yo, which puts him up there with Hall, Simmonds & Knobel anyway. We need someone younger, 20-24yo.
2. He's already had a reconstructed knee and is battling with mobility problems.
3. Why would we want to bring someone into the club whom has an alleged drug habit. Imagine the harm that could do to the other kids, let alone the duty of care issues for the Tiger administration.
Gardiner, no thank you.
I asked it on another thread...
Given Hall is the same height as Simmonds, why can't he be our second ruck?
Given Hall is the same height as Simmonds, why can't he be our second ruck?
Got a decent response Craig?craig said:
I mean seriously he's in the age bracket, has the height, is agile and has good endurance. Sure he's not the most skilfull but is he a worse option than a Stafford or Knobel? Gotta be worth considering. He's 196cm and some people here want to play him on a wing FFS!
Doesnt read the play well either, lacks awareness and gets caught too often, is not that good a mark for his size............. nah stuff it he is not AFL standard period in any position he is a stop gap and nothing more, and the quicker we are in a position to get rid of him the better.
Buts thats just me i do not and never really rated Rayzor, yes he tries hard, puts his body in, has guts and gives his all which i admire immensely in such a tough arena but he is purely and simply not the answer in any position at RFC in the future.
Buts thats just me i do not and never really rated Rayzor, yes he tries hard, puts his body in, has guts and gives his all which i admire immensely in such a tough arena but he is purely and simply not the answer in any position at RFC in the future.
Tigers of Old said:
Wallace himself would like to play him on a wing or across half forward ToO, he's said as much a couple of times. To play on a wing you need good endurance, to be able to kick long deep into attack, to be able to contribute physically in the centre with blocks and tackles, and the ability to beat your direct opponent. Hall has the first three, while his height and strength present a serious mismatch for opposition coaches if he's played in the wide open spaces of the ground.
IMO, part of becoming a successful unit is to try and create as many advantageous matchups around the ground as possible. One of the reasons the Swans have been successful is the fact that Goodes presents the opposition with a nightmare matchup every week. You can't play a running small on him or he'll smash them in the air, for strength and often even for run and endurance. You can't play 98% of talls on him because they just can't keep up; the few who can are needed elsewhere on the ground. Goodes has more polish and ability than Hall, no question, but Wallace is clearly thinking along similar lines...outside the square by using a player's natural attributes (rare in the case of Hall and Goodes because of their combined mobility, endurance and height) to our advantage.
Hall isn't ideally suited as a backman because he lacks the short sharp sprint which all topline defenders have. Having said that, he's a pretty good spoil, strong and tall enough to go with the bigger players physically, hassles well and never stops trying...all things which make him above average as a stop gap key defender. Take the two first choice key defenders (Thursfield and Schulz for our game plan this year) out of any side and you're very rarely going to be left with much better than Hall...in most cases a far worse option.
He's not a ruckman IMO because he doesn't have the leap which a 196cm player needs to be truly competitive against the 200cm+ ruckman (Simmonds does).
Instead of looking at what he can't do at top level, Wallace has the right idea by making use of what he can do. If we ever get to a point where he's not needed to fill the same defensive holes he's been filling for much of his career, we'll get a chance to see his plan in action.
To make a racing analogy, we've been running a 3200m+ Flemington horse in sprint races at Moonee Valley...he doesn't even get warmed up until the race is over and struggles to match it with the natural sprinters .
Simmonds is close to career best form, as he should be given his age, level of fitness (over the foot injury of last year) and that he's been deployed in the role to which he's suited- that of a running, overlap, outside ruckman. This is the role in which he excelled (when fit) at Freo.
Outside ruckman are gold because they create an overlap all over the ground as they leave lumbering opponents in their wake. Gold. So, what's the rush to get a new #1 ruck?
Let's assume that Stafford is playing out his last days with dignity.
Knobel is experienced but still young. He's a fine tap ruck and can be used to batter the bigger opposing rucks, particularly if they're belting Simmo. He can administer justice if we're not getting a fair deal.
He's good at this. A good foil for Simmonds and a useful, experienced #2 ruck.
Pattison doesn't seem to get any altitude. You don't get more altitude as you get older, you get less. You gotta be able to jump. Running blue-collar CHF prospect.
Hall- not enough air either. Not a ruck IMO.
Angus is in the pipeline. Next year there'll be another. The year after another. Hopefully, none costing us a significant ND choice.
We're well equipped with rucks and we'll improve our sample of prospects.
Centre-half-forwards we could do with. Let's get a dozen.
Outside ruckman are gold because they create an overlap all over the ground as they leave lumbering opponents in their wake. Gold. So, what's the rush to get a new #1 ruck?
Let's assume that Stafford is playing out his last days with dignity.
Knobel is experienced but still young. He's a fine tap ruck and can be used to batter the bigger opposing rucks, particularly if they're belting Simmo. He can administer justice if we're not getting a fair deal.
He's good at this. A good foil for Simmonds and a useful, experienced #2 ruck.Pattison doesn't seem to get any altitude. You don't get more altitude as you get older, you get less. You gotta be able to jump. Running blue-collar CHF prospect.
Hall- not enough air either. Not a ruck IMO.
Angus is in the pipeline. Next year there'll be another. The year after another. Hopefully, none costing us a significant ND choice.
We're well equipped with rucks and we'll improve our sample of prospects.
Centre-half-forwards we could do with. Let's get a dozen.
Do not want Gardiner. Perhaps if they took Humm back in a trade (no offense hummer), took a $80K pa salary and became a born again Christian, then maybe. Real ability was there for all to see in last years GF. Overrated, all he is a good tap ruck who can kick. No no and no.
Nowhere near the same player he was prior to his posterior cruciate ligament injury. Insipid performance in 2005 Grand Final and the extent to which Cox has overtaken him in just two and a bit seasons should be testament to that.
Also likely to spend more time in nightclub toilets than he would helping Richmond up the ladder.
Ten foot pole rule applies.
Also likely to spend more time in nightclub toilets than he would helping Richmond up the ladder.
Ten foot pole rule applies.
Ready said:
Seaby has overtaken him too. Speaking of second rucks, a second ruck suddenly clicking can often be the difference between threatening for a flag or being an also ran. Cox and Seaby clicking really made WC step up, Brogan a couple of years ago, and look at Jamar this year, looks to have really arrived this year.