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regained my confidence in wallace

gustiger12 said:
...We all know, and I think most acknowledge, he (Wallace) inherited a train wreck

I didnt for starters and if you had told me that back in 05 I probably wouldnt have started hanging out with you!

Would of saved my liver a lot of damage :hihi
 
Chiang Mai Tiger said:
I didnt for starters and if you had told me that back in 05 I probably wouldnt have started hanging out with you!

Would of saved my liver a lot of damage :hihi

And I always thought that was what turned you to drink in the first place.
 
evo said:
Yes,well that is kinda my point.
The list structure is now firmly in the hands of Francis and Cameron;who in my opinion have now delivered 3 good drafts in a row.The McMuffin trade notwithstanding the list structuring has been most proffessional the last few years.
An objective assessment would suggest that Wallet is actually one of the better game day coaches.Now that that is his only brief i don't see the real benefits of replacing him.
I dont understand, this is Cameron's first draft and the role of Wallace vs Cameron or Miller sounds like its nearly identical, they all discuss the needs and available talent then the recruiters make the call, as Miller and this year Cameron did.
 
billyb#40 said:
I dont understand, this is Cameron's first draft and the role of Wallace vs Cameron or Miller sounds like its nearly identical, they all discuss the needs and available talent then the recruiters make the call, as Miller and this year Cameron did.

I agree Mr Barrott. A few blokes doing the same stuff, just with different titles. Too much emphasis put on job descriptions rather than simply making sure the job of list management gets done.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Going forward? How long is a piece of string :headscratch
2011? 2020? 2050?
The carrot is leading the donkey.
I actually think we are building a decent list but I am not entirely sure why you continually attach Terry Wallace with doing so.
For example picking up a player like Cotchin is the direct result of finishing last remember.
That is as a result of losing more matches than any other team in the competition and the coach is considerably responsible for that.
How would we know until we give them a whirl? Hardwick, Buckley or someone else.
Alistair Clarkson was untried at the same time as Wallace came to Tigerland with a big salary and reputation.
Yet he has delivered on his vision and results in far shorter time than Terry has.
Wallace as a coach had me firmly off side after the disaster of '07 & then completely lost me last season at around the mid way point of last season after the massive failure of the team during the crucial games last year of rounds 10(Sydney), round 11(Adelaide) & ultimately round 14, the Centenary game against Carlton which was a disater for our club. What occurred after that is largely irrelevant as finals were always unlikely and as teams dropped off we picked up a few extra wins to make our year look better than it was. He as coach was unable to extract the performances out of the team when it mattered and made some dumbfounding chess movements during the season which cast shadow over his so called ability as a game day coach.
Despite scrutiny on Wallace I actually think we have got some exciting kids coming through but the retention of some senior players this season as well as recruiting RBR has seen a few eggs placed in Terry's basket in 2009. No matter how you slice it, 5 years is a fair whack. I doubt any other club will ever be so brave to sign such a long contract again.
It's now or never for him to deliver or someone else can inject some fresh ideas into our young list & hopefully take them to success.

The problem for me is that the six behinds kicked by Brown (17 disposals, 0g 6 behinds) screwed us completely otherwise we would have been so far in front the Blues would have never caught us. Also if Bowden could have stayed within 15 metres of his man rather than zoning off 30 metres and having the ball kicked over his head then we could have won and maybe snuck into the finals, lucky I dont hold grudges for long. Also Rich went off injuredat 3/4 time and we lost confidence.
Richmond 2.7 (19) 7.9 (51) 10.13 (73) 12.16 (88) 12.16 (88)
Carlton 1.5 (11) 5.9 (39) 10.12 (72) 17.16 (118) 17.16 (118)
"Richmond's disappointing day is likely to have a dark post-script, with star forward Matthew Richardson leaving the field early in the fourth term with what looked to be a hamstring injury".
 
Dirk Welham was a handy cricketer.

Ended up captain of NSW and played a fair few tests from memories.

One claim to fame was being dropped after scoring a ton on debut for both NSW and Australia.

Nice confidence buider!
 
lamb22 said:
Dirk Welham was a handy cricketer.

Ended up captain of NSW and played a fair few tests from memories.

One claim to fame was being dropped after scoring a ton on debut for both NSW and Australia.

Nice confidence buider!

and breaking barb from carlton's jaw when he swung a cricket bat at the fence after getting out....
 
billyb#40 said:
The problem for me is that the six behinds kicked by Brown (17 disposals, 0g 6 behinds) screwed us completely otherwise we would have been so far in front the Blues would have never caught us. Also if Bowden could have stayed within 15 metres of his man rather than zoning off 30 metres and having the ball kicked over his head then we could have won and maybe snuck into the finals, lucky I dont hold grudges for long. Also Rich went off injuredat 3/4 time and we lost confidence.
Richmond 2.7 (19) 7.9 (51) 10.13 (73) 12.16 (88) 12.16 (88)
Carlton 1.5 (11) 5.9 (39) 10.12 (72) 17.16 (118) 17.16 (118)
"Richmond's disappointing day is likely to have a dark post-script, with star forward Matthew Richardson leaving the field early in the fourth term with what looked to be a hamstring injury".

If, but, maybe billybrownless.
Sadly nothing went to script for the Tiges that day from the moment we ran out. :(
We were struggling even before Madcow went off and whilst the hammie didn't help, you sensed the Blues were on top already at that point and we would have lost anyway.

Browny had an uncharacteristically off day for sure but he was not on his own. Most of our leaders let us down.
Richo too was also having his worst game of the season to date before his injury.
That just topped off what had already been a relatively dark day for him.

For whatever reason the team weren't up for that game when they should have been able to run through walls.

In relation to this thread was it Wallace's inability to fire up the troops?? I dunno but something was off.
Maybe it was the Hawthorn jumpers? :vomit
Shouldn't have mattered in reality. We should have been switched on for anything.

IMO up until this game Terry's coaching had been unconvincing during the season and the loss that day had more questioning his coaching credentials. Had we improved at all from the disaster of '07? :headscratch

In reality we'd actually been pretty patchy in the month leading up to that game with some relatively unconvincing wins against the Dees & Port(better admittedly) following the disastrous earlier games against contenders Sydney(rnd10) & Adelaide(rnd11).

The Centenary match was a huge not just in terms of our history but more importantly our season.
It was pretty well in tatters after that & both the players & Wallace had to wear that disappointment.
We were always destined to make up the numbers again after that loss.
Not a good day, best forgotten.

Ironically Polak being severely injured that night seemed to steel the side considerably and spurred on our team's performances from that point on for the rest of the year.

Wallace's impact as coach from this point is hard to gauge as emotion would have played a huge part.
I will give him credit that it was channeled correctly and the wins flowed freely with the memorable Lions win at the Dome capping a sterling three weeks for the club as it gathered around it's injured team mate.

No doubt we finished the year off strongly although perhaps we felt we had a touch more to play for than other sides we beat that were winding down. It's difficult to calculate the value of wins late in the season IMO as many teams have shut up shop. Certainly many of the sides we beat had.

This season coming we won't have the emotion of Polak's injury to draw on to eck out wins as we did late last year.
What we will have is pressure. Pressure to make the 8 or the coach is out the door.

Terry Wallace will be under the pump from the very first game and we will find out soon enough whether his players are really interested in playing for him.

Time will tell. Let's hope the plan comes together.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Ironically Polak being severely injured that night seemed to steel the side considerably and spurred on our team's performances from that point on for the rest of the year.

Wallace's impact as coach from this point is hard to gauge as emotion would have played a huge part.
I will give him credit that it was channeled correctly and the wins flowed freely with the memorable Lions win at the Dome capping a sterling three weeks for the club as it gathered around it's injured team mate.

Being in the hunt for the 8 right up until the last round would've served as reasonable motivation as well I'd have thought.
 
Freezer said:
Being in the hunt for the 8 right up until the last round would've served as reasonable motivation as well I'd have thought.

Did you ever really think we'd make it?

It would have required a miracle to fall in.

As it ended up we finished ninth(again).
 
Tigers of Old said:
In relation to this thread was it Wallace's inability to fire up the troops?? I dunno but something was off.

When I was serious about cricket, my coach used to talk about not getting us too fired up before a game as we'd become over motivated.

He had this theory that motivation for sport was like a bell shaped curve. The coach had to get players as close to the top of the bell as possible, without letting people go too far down the other side. If people became too motivated, he said they'd try too hard, often with poor skills coming as a result (eg because they lose concentration on the task at hand) or with people tightening up too early in the game.

I reckon the build up and everything had the tigers ready to come out and play about 30mins before they walked on the ground, and we saw that they ran out of steam far too early.
 
It’s a fine line the motivation thing. You look at some of those turkeys in the NFL and all the over-hype they carry on with and you think.....pfffft.

But on the other hand, there’s nothing worse than playing with a team mate who is a dozy over-relaxed, smiley dud who just goes through the motions.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Did you ever really think we'd make it?

It would have required a miracle to fall in.

As it ended up we finished ninth(again).

Probably not, but I was certainly hoping for results to fall our way, as was everyone.

The players would've been playing/training for a finals berth though - just in case.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Did you ever really think we'd make it?

It would have required a miracle to fall in.
It was a pity the melb game wasnt a "live" game To0.
We might have been celebrating

RICHO THE 08 BROWNLOW MEDALIST :beer :beer :beer
 
Agree, the second finals were ruled out, Richo had his worst game in 2 years.

His major weakness has never been it's kicking. It's always been his negative thinking.

Even watching the Brisbane game (round 17) last night, when the Lions got a few goals in front he got too emotional and you could tell he was thinking "we've lost... *smile*... no chance now". A few other players sparked a bit of hope again and suddenly Richo feels like it's possible to win and what does he do? Kicks 3 goals in the last quarter (and sets up another 2) to cap off another brilliant match. In previous years his teammates wouldn't have given him that hope to allow him to dig deep into that massive barrel of passion to find something extra that something nobody else can find...

I reckon if Richo was given the hope of finals, he wouldn't have had that negative mindset in Round 22, and he would have won a Brownlow Medal.

Ah well, we still love him ;D