Regrets, I've had a few, but then again there's three cups to mention... - Former Tiger Trade Debates

[turk-d-tiger]

Whilst it may not be a popular choice i really want Josh Green to be the 'other' player to get the last remaining spot on the list
He just has that size that we are lacking in the midfield currently unless RCD makes the grade and also has the size to be that swingman to compliment the boys we have.

Also the brother factor

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

What's Green's athleticism like? There must be a knock on him so what is it that's held him back?

 

[Dont Argue]

What's Green's athleticism like? There must be a knock on him so what is it that's held him back?

The whole industry is obsessed with athleticism which I get because it’s such a running game now. Got to be careful about relying solely on stats for it though. It’s how most clubs missed out on Cripps.
Green’s deficiencies definitely not in his marking or clearance work. Seems to have a decent work rate and a hoof on him too. If he can collect contested ball and distribute I can’t see why you wouldn’t take the punt. As I said on another thread, looks like he can go forward as the 3rd tall too

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

We do value athleticism though, which is what's held Caddy back and seen Higgins traded despite their outstanding footy IQ.

 

[Dont Argue]

We do value athleticism though, which is what's held Caddy back and seen Higgins traded despite their outstanding footy IQ.

We definitely value athletes however.....
Didn’t Higgins request a trade after playing 10 games last year? Big difference to the assertion that we traded him. We simply have a policy of not standing in someone’s way if they want to leave. Pre brain injury, he was best 22 comfortably.
And Caddy is a 2 time Premiership player and I’d suggest that if Green is as good as Caddy, I’d sign him today!

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

Higlett would have been played if he covered the ground better. Dow pushed past him despite having no VFL form. Aarts, Ross, RCD and maybe Martyn pushing ahead. Stack too (pre-lockup) and MRJ coming. The writing was on the wall for Higlett due to athleticism, not ability or work ethic or cultural fit.

 

[17]

Higlett would have been played if he covered the ground better. Dow pushed past him despite having no VFL form. Aarts, Ross, RCD and maybe Martyn pushing ahead. Stack too (pre-lockup) and MRJ coming. The writing was on the wall for Higlett due to athleticism, not ability or work ethic or cultural fit.

Agree.

 

[17]

We definitely value athletes however.....
Didn’t Higgins request a trade after playing 10 games last year? Big difference to the assertion that we traded him. We simply have a policy of not standing in someone’s way if they want to leave. Pre brain injury, he was best 22 comfortably.
And Caddy is a 2 time Premiership player and I’d suggest that if Green is as good as Caddy, I’d sign him today!

We don't have a policy of not standing in someone's way if they want to leave.
We do have a policy of not standing in someone's way if they want to leave, and we think we have the cattle to cover them.

 

[zippadeee]

Higlett would have been played if he covered the ground better. Dow pushed past him despite having no VFL form. Aarts, Ross, RCD and maybe Martyn pushing ahead. Stack too (pre-lockup) and MRJ coming. The writing was on the wall for Higlett due to athleticism, not ability or work ethic or cultural fit.

He left because he knew he was not best 22 quality. When Aarts got selected in front of him, it was the writing on the wall he was a reserves player.
Plain and simple.
He has no competition at Stkilda.
Duds like Lonie, Kent and Sinclair are his only competition.
At punt Rd he had Rioli, Castagnfield, Bolton, Farts, Graham, Bolton and Robbie Powell in front of him.

 

[Baloo]

Apparently Higlet had run out of funny jokes as well

 

[zippadeee]

Im more upset losing Bulter and Markov then Higgins.
I couldnt believe we used our first pick on him, when kids like Oscar Allen were still available.

 

[zippadeee]

Apparently Higlet had run out of funny jokes as well

Are we sure it was the actual jokes made the players laugh?

 

[fargothegreat]

Im more upset losing Bulter and Markov then Higgins.
I couldnt believe we used our first pick on him, when kids like Oscar Allen were still available.

Markov would be a lock for our round 1 side if he had stuck around. Definitely missing a bit of depth across half back with Houli struggling to get fit.

 

[Dont Argue]

We don't have a policy of not standing in someone's way if they want to leave.
We do have a policy of not standing in someone's way if they want to leave, and we think we have the cattle to cover them.

Let’s hope the throngs on PRE don’t bleat like they did when Butler made AA squad.
I’m not particularly a Higgins fan myself but was merely suggesting that we didn’t trade him. Big difference.

 

[zippadeee]

Markov would be a lock for our round 1 side if he had stuck around. Definitely missing a bit of depth across half back with Houli struggling to get fit.

I would've kept Markov and got rid of others.
He knows our style and when played he played well.
Not sure why our players are worthless in the open market.
25 year old kid in his prime for a 3rd rounder. No good

 

[seven]

The whole industry is obsessed with athleticism which I get because it’s such a running game now. Got to be careful about relying solely on stats for it though. It’s how most clubs missed out on Cripps.
Green’s deficiencies definitely not in his marking or clearance work. Seems to have a decent work rate and a hoof on him too. If he can collect contested ball and distribute I can’t see why you wouldn’t take the punt. As I said on another thread, looks like he can go forward as the 3rd tall too

Agree. He seems like the obvious choice for us

 

[17]

Let’s hope the throngs on PRE don’t bleat like they did when Butler made AA squad.
I’m not particularly a Higgins fan myself but was merely suggesting that we didn’t trade him. Big difference.

I was one who was ok with Butler leaving, as i thought we had similar players to cover him.
Getting the kyber from Richmond was the rocket he required to get fitter and become a stronger and more confident player at St Kilda.
He certainly exceeded my expectations last year, to the point there was a tinge of regret for a player who previously frustrated me.
Higgins can do well at StK, as he provides a need they were short on, and will slot in well there.
I'm still ok with him leaving.

 

[Number8]

Let’s hope the throngs on PRE don’t bleat like they did when Butler made AA squad.

Do you think Richmond got fair value for Butler?

 

[Dont Argue]

Do you think Richmond got fair value for Butler?

I did with Butler. Wasn’t best 25 at the time. Hindsight a wonderful thing.
Don’t believe we did with Ellis, Markov or Higgins.

 

[zippadeee]

Do you think Richmond got fair value for Butler?

Sharron Wellingham pick 17, dud
Chris Dawes pick 20 & 47, king dud
Paul Seedsman pick 32
Nathan Freedman 2nd round pick
James Aish pick 26 + 2nd rounder