RICH V SAINTS - GAME THREAD [Merged]

[Tigers of Old]

Very disappointing to lose but we are damn competitive against very good sides atm, with a bit of luck...
No doubt in my mind we are getting better.
Many here didn't give us a chance against some of these teams before the year started, it's been a better than expected start.

Can't help but feel next season will be a crucial season in the future of the RFC.
We must cash in on twilights of Richardson, Brown & Simmonds & the improvements in our if youngsters if we are to to have a red hot tilt at a top 4 birth because when those undoubted guns finish up, it won't get any easier.

 

[Scoop]

Can't help but feel next season will be a crucial season in the future of the RFC.
We must cash in on twilights of Richardson, Brown & Simmonds & the improvements in our if youngsters if we are to to have a red hot tilt at a top 4 birth because when those undoubted guns finish up, it won't get any easier.

Let's not jump the gun. Geez Louise.........

 

[Tigers of Old]

Let's not jump the gun. Geez Louise.........

Why not? Miller, March & Wallace have all said basically the same thing.

Aim for the sky and you'll hit a tree.
I don't think we are that far away from a finals birth let alone top 4 TBH.
I have seen Collingwood and the Kangas do it last season. I think next year it's possible.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Why not? Miller, March & Wallace have all said basically the same thing.

Aim for the sky and you'll hit a tree.
I don't think we are that far away from a finals birth let alone top 4 TBH.
I have seen Collingwood and the Kangas do it last season. I think next year it's possible.

I'd like to think that Oldy, but our skills are deplorable and until they improve we're going nowhere, as this has been a problem for the last 26 years and no one seems to be able to fix them I'm not sure that's going to miraculously happen in the next couple of seasons.

 

[Scoop]

Why not? Miller, March & Wallace have all said basically the same thing.

Aim for the sky and you'll hit a tree.
I don't think we are that far away from a finals birth let alone top 4 TBH.
I have seen Collingwood and the Kangas do it last season. I think next year it's possible.

Steady improvement, smart drafting, investing more cash and resources into the footballing department, not taking on B grade footballers at A grade price that is a reasonable list of things to expect.

Making a tilt at top 4 is a long way off and is setting unrealistic goals. Although we have got better this year we still are not winning games. To suggest that we can launch into the top 4 next year is a pipe dream.

 

[IrockZ]

Comparing Cornes and Ling to Hyde and Jackson is ludicrous. Cornes and Ling are exactly what I was talking about, players who can negate and defend but also depend on matchups able to get lots of ball themselves and use it well.

who was comparing them ???

 

[the claw]

but how many can you have?

Johnson, Jackson, Hyde etc is too many imo

simple drop the least effective.

 

[the claw]

king newman mcmahon you cant play all three in the backline. theres a spot for a linkman that unfortunately is mcmahon theres a spot for someone with aggresion mongrel and skills and theres theres a spot for a negator.unfortunately we dont have either at the moment. king at least plays with aggresion but his kicking and size are huge concerns.

 

[hopper]

I thought I'd mention two acts I noticed in the dying seconds against the Saints that were worth mentioning. I noticed this watching The Winners this evening. A lot went wrong, but Foley's gather and burst from traffic on the wing was inspirational. I also wanted to point out the quality of young Jack's mark. It was a real cracker. Rays of sunshine are there. Here's hoping more wins are on the way.

Fwiw, I agree with you Craw on those three. Imho, it's Newman who should pay the price at the selection table this week. McMahon needs to be forced to watch the Bob Harvey footage and commentary from OTC tonight 50 times a day until our next game - or he's next.

 

[GoodOne]

who was comparing them ???

I was actually agreeing with you on this one, Dyer'er talked about theese guys being stoppers in past years.

 

[Redford]

Hmmm. Top 4. Sounds good. Looking forward to it.

 

[IrockZ]

I was actually agreeing with you on this one, Dyer'er talked about theese guys being stoppers in past years.

agree they are important but we had too many on sat night

 

[doherz]

Re: RICH V SAINTS - GAME THREAD

Thanks for the posts everyone.

What a bummer. There comes a time when honorable losses have to turn into close wins.

hope we are shaping up for a BIG scalp in 12 days time, Rosy.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Steady improvement, smart drafting, investing more cash and resources into the footballing department, not taking on B grade footballers at A grade price that is a reasonable list of things to expect.

In case you hadn't noticed, we have been doing much of that over the past 4 seasons.
The payoff has to start to come at some point.
In Wallace's 5th year, there is a good chance it will, at least I hope so.

Making a tilt at top 4 is a long way off and is setting unrealistic goals. Although we have got better this year we still are not winning games. To suggest that we can launch into the top 4 next year is a pipe dream.

Unrealistic goals? ???
I didn't say we would make the top 4 next season but I said we should be damn well aiming for it.
I'm not suggesting premierships, is it really that big a call? We'll see I guess.

I may be misreading it but IMO right now I am seeing a side in serious transition despite the recent slightly disappointing results.
I am looking past the skill errors(this area has improved massively BTW) and recent narrow losses because a few key vets aside, we have a very young side and they are learning from their mistakes with every game.
We are also in the process of weeding out those that fail to meet certain criteria(some safer options), yet are remaining super competitive against the top sides in the competition.

My point was that next year we should at least be aiming for finals with top 4 the ultimate goal as some of our decorated vets are close to the end and I can't help but feel if we don't make serious inroads to the pack next season then we won't again for a while.

Wallace forecast a good year in 2009 with sustained success from 2011. I am only really reiterating what he said.

I honestly couldn't give a stuff about setting unrealistic goals or being hamstrung by the past 26 years of failure.
Harping on about previous history is a defeatist attitude and one that simply holds our club back.
We have to and will get seriously better some time and right now I am seeing signs that we are.
If you put limitations on what's possible you'll never achieve anything more than that.

 

[IanG]

Not a stopper? He plays in the back half and we were getting carved and we still refused to see him try and actually play a accountable brand of football. The fact the coaching panel deemed him to be incapable of that role speaks volumes about his defensive game. I find it quite disgusting that some people find that acceptable from a backman.

Half back flankers like McMahon play pretty much like wingmen now and have for years now. No offence but you have an old fashioned view of their role.

 

[jb03]

Half back flankers like McMahon play pretty much like wingmen now and have for years now. No offence but you have an old fashioned view of their role.

I don't recall wingman ever having the licence to be totally unaccountable.

 

[IrockZ]

Half back flankers like McMahon play pretty much like wingmen now and have for years now. No offence but you have an old fashioned view of their role.

but most still play on opposition small forwards, except McMahon of course

funny that

 

[Freezer]

Just seen the game. We should've won that.

We seem to have all the ingredients of a good team at the moment - putting them all together on one particular day seems to be the issue.

This game, the kicking was a disgrace.

 

[pahoffm]

What *&%ing planet do you live on?? Too much pot in the 80's I think.
When was the last GF decided by some bloke kinging an opposition player? Or a finals game? Teams that are agressive at the ball are the teams that win and that's the way I'd love to see my team play. eg Deledio on Sat night. BTW Baker was the guy running the other way Sat night and he had the chance to run through Deledio but he also showed courage in attemting the mark instead of protecting himself and going the man.


You've been drinking right? On your 15th stubby? What the ##*k does this mean?

Sorry mate, as clean as a whistle.

In fact a few minutes after that post I was on my way to a 3 hour statistics class at Swinburne.

BTW, The last GF decided by a key player being taken out of the game, just off the top of my head, Kerr in the 2005 GF, I recall. Can't remember if it was Kirk or Fosdike, but one of them made sure that Kerr couldn't run out the game. It was a near run thing but most would agree that the kick to Kerr's ankle, and the effect it had on his game that day, was a key factor in Sydney matching WC in the midfield. Sydney won that game by a bee's d...

I'm vaguely certain of an incident the following GF, this time a WC on a Sydney player, but it doesn't clearly come to mind. Westcoast won that game, of course.

And the previous year to the Sydney premiership was Port Adelaide's win. You'll remember, I'm sure, of the hits that Carr & Pickett placed on key Brisbane midfielders early in the game. Those hits are now largely forgotten but the memory of Port's win is enshrined on footy's honour board.

A team still has to play excellent footy to win key games against top opposition, no doubt about that. But just sometimes the difference between winning & losing will be one player. And if you take that player out the scales can be significantly turned your way.

 

[Scoop]

Half back flankers like McMahon play pretty much like wingmen now and have for years now. No offence but you have an old fashioned view of their role.

It's not old fashoned at all I just expect some form of accountable football. Don't think I am asking too much.

I don't recall wingman ever having the licence to be totally unaccountable.

Me neither.

but most still play on opposition small forwards, except McMahon of course

funny that

Not expected to play on anyone according to most on PRE.