RICH V SAINTS - GAME THREAD [Merged]

[Dyer'ere]

Cornes is a perfect example of this. In my opinion thats what we need to aim for if we are to become a top team.

Yes, GO agree, that's exactly the type of player we need if we're to become a top team and more than one of them because Port has one and it's clear that that's not enough.

But Kane Cornes was not in 2004 the player that he is now. He was a kid learning the caper by tagging for a living. And that's their premiership year and my point.

I think the days of having a player on your list who's pure skill is to stop another player at their own expense is past.

Wallet probably agrees with you. I don't. All that matters is that you beat your opponent IMO. If that's lockdown well I'm one of the few footy fans who loves that stuff. If there's a player who can guarantee to shut Chris Judd down is there one coach in the AFL who wouldn't select him?

but how many can you have?

Johnson, Jackson, Hyde etc is too many imo

The more you have the tighter the game. It's playing tight that leads to a lockdown, ten goals beats nine sorta thing.

Jackson wasn't tagging on Satdee night was he, Ir? He was impacting. Unfortunately. ;D

The blokes with defensive jobs were Tuck, Hyde and probably Edwards (sorry I can't recall his opponent/game).

Tuck flogged Hayes until the last quarter when Hayes came into it. Shame. We can argue whether it was Tuck not kicking a goal of Tuck losing a couple of battles that was the bigger problem.

But my take overall is that our defensive mids did very well on the night and were not the problem. And my view is that defensive mids are gold. Chiefly because they add to the depth of a mid roster without the need for class.

 

[GoodOne]

Wallet probably agrees with you. I don't. All that matters is that you beat your opponent IMO. If that's lockdown well I'm one of the few footy fans who loves that stuff. If there's a player who can guarantee to shut Chris Judd down is there one coach in the AFL who wouldn't select him?

Of course if you could shut down Judd you would, but inevitably you can't. So more often than not I'd suspect a player in the team purely for their stopping capabilities can backfire as they don't have the class to take on a more dominant role. Personally I think someone like Judd would be a fantastic stopper of another player but of course you get more benefit out of his attacking capabilities.

I don't like the lockdown strategy as inevitably to do so often involves 'cheating'. If someone was able to stop another purely by skill I'd love it too but it is rarely the case.

 

[Dyer'ere]

On the Judd thing the blokes who might be able to are too talented to get the job. Robert Shirley did a pretty fair job on him a fortnight ago. But Judd still kicked two.

Judd wasn't far off BOG the next week (clearly BOG IMO).

Whether or not Shirley cheated well that's either the umpire's call or an aesthetic consideration. Personally, it doesn't worry me.

 

[GoodOne]

On the Judd thing the blokes who might be able to are too talented to get the job. Robert Shirley did a pretty fair job on him a fortnight ago. But Judd still kicked two.

Judd wasn't far off BOG the next week (clearly BOG IMO).

Whether or not Shirley cheated well that's either the umpire's call or an aesthetic consideration. Personally, it doesn't worry me.

Yep well, I guess as an attacking player myself I never felt that the pulling of hair and continual grabbing of the jumper was in the spirit of the game. These days I guess its not s bad at the AFL level but is still rife at the lower club level.

 

[IrockZ]

Cornes wasnt at his best in 04 but they had Carr back then who was getting the top jobs, now they have Cornes and to a lesser extent Cassisi the rest are all attacking

Jackson didnt have a job on Saturday which was the problem because he is not damaging so was a wasted selection

 

[premiers2011]

Jackson didnt have a job on Saturday which was the problem because he is not damaging so was a wasted selection

Yep, I thought Bowden should've got the gig instead of Jackson

 

[Dyer'ere]

Cornes wasnt at his best in 04 but they had Carr back then who was getting the top jobs, now they have Cornes and to a lesser extent Cassisi the rest are all attacking

Yeah Cassisi and Kane C are two way types. Both would be great for us. FWIW I reckon you should add a Cassisi type to your list every year. And the years where you don't add one you should add five.

Jackson didnt have a job on Saturday which was the problem because he is not damaging so was a wasted selection

It didn't help, Ir. :duh

And GO I might have guessed. ;D

 

[GoodOne]

And GO I might have guessed. ;D

hehe, a bit like the soccer backman, who just kicks the ball out of bounds everytime it goes near him and gets praise heaped on him.