Richmond will be an excitement machine in 2006!

[meltiger]

We all live in hope and i hope we are but still 2years away.

2008 and 2009 we should be competitive for a finals spot, but we wont if we keep forsaking quality tall specialist KPP and do a Footscray and end up with a side of midgets.

Having quality talls got us no where over the last 10 years with a midfield that wasn't competitive...

 

[blx]

2008 and 2009 we should be competitive for a finals spot, but we wont if we keep forsaking quality tall specialist KPP and do a Footscray and end up with a side of midgets.

and look where that "side of midgets" is now and the style of game theyre playing. Very exciting times ahead :

 

[duro]

Like most people I think it will be a couple of years of before we really start going and thats OK!! We are heading in the right direction
But i am excited because in every game (bar 2-3) last year we have a go and at least challenge for the win!
In the dark days it was game over at 15minute mark in the first quater!!!!most weeks

 

[poppa x]

For me the tiges are all about the journey. not the destination.

 

[TIGEREXTRA]

For me the tiges are all about the journey. not the destination.

Great post. :clap

 

[Darth Tiger]

For me the tiges are all about the journey. not the destination.

Great post. :clap

Just ask Freo fans :hihi

 

[boysfromtheG]

A spot in the 8 is sewn up!

 

[the claw]

We all live in hope and i hope we are but still 2years away.

2008 and 2009 we should be competitive for a finals spot, but we wont if we keep forsaking quality tall specialist KPP and do a Footscray and end up with a side of midgets.

Having quality talls got us no where over the last 10 years with a midfield that wasn't competitive...

what quality talls richo lmao.i will bet money on the dogs not making the 8 this yr because of the lack of talls yet alone quality talls.
well rounded teams win grand finals not skinny outside recievers. unfortunately we not only lack quality talls but skillful ball winning midfielders onballers and quick skillful out riders.
talk of consistent finals appearances from 08 onwards is a bit premature.

 

[Bill James]

For me the tiges are all about the journey. not the destination.

In keeping with the Avatar :rofl

 

[RemoteTiger]

what quality talls richo lmao.i will bet money on the dogs not making the 8 this yr because of the lack of talls yet alone quality talls.
well rounded teams win grand finals not skinny outside recievers. unfortunately we not only lack quality talls but skillful ball winning midfielders onballers and quick skillful out riders.
talk of consistent finals appearances from 08 onwards is a bit premature.

Yeah the Swans had all those things in abundance in 2005 - and they won the flag. Classy midfielders - classy talls - fast skillful outriders - they had the lot - everybody - including your good self were saying how far in front the Swans were in those areas when compared to all others. 
:nopity

 

[meltiger]

We all live in hope and i hope we are but still 2years away.

2008 and 2009 we should be competitive for a finals spot, but we wont if we keep forsaking quality tall specialist KPP and do a Footscray and end up with a side of midgets.

Having quality talls got us no where over the last 10 years with a midfield that wasn't competitive...

what quality talls richo lmao.i will bet money on the dogs not making the 8 this yr because of the lack of talls yet alone quality talls.
well rounded teams win grand finals not skinny outside recievers. unfortunately we not only lack quality talls but skillful ball winning midfielders onballers and quick skillful out riders.
talk of consistent finals appearances from 08 onwards is a bit premature.

In 2001, we had Richo, along with Ottens and Gaspar in All Australian form. Holland and Benny Gale shared the CHB duties and were rarely beaten.


We were comprehensively flogged by a team with a sensational midfield in the prelim.


Claw, I know you want the team to not be successful, because if they are winning you have nothing to complain about ... but you cannot run from the fact that we have in the past had decent talls which have gotten us no where.


With the midfield we currently have, we would have gotten a lot closer to Brisbane that night.


We could have drafted Roughead, Franklin, Mitchell Clarke etc, sure. However if we continued to go on getting killed in the Centre by the quality teams ... We would have never won a premiership. Rebuilding the midfield into a classy outfit is clearly the #1 priority of TW and there is no way you can claim it wasn't the right choice.

 

[the claw]

We all live in hope and i hope we are but still 2years away.

2008 and 2009 we should be competitive for a finals spot, but we wont if we keep forsaking quality tall specialist KPP and do a Footscray and end up with a side of midgets.

Having quality talls got us no where over the last 10 years with a midfield that wasn't competitive...

what quality talls richo lmao.i will bet money on the dogs not making the 8 this yr because of the lack of talls yet alone quality talls.
well rounded teams win grand finals not a team of skinny outside recievers. unfortunately we not only lack quality talls but skillful ball winning midfielders onballers and quick skillful out riders.
talk of consistent finals appearances from 08 onwards is a bit premature.

In 2001, we had Richo, along with Ottens and Gaspar in All Australian form. Holland and Benny Gale shared the CHB duties and were rarely beaten.


We were comprehensively flogged by a team with a sensational midfield in the prelim.


Claw, I know you want the team to not be successful, because if they are winning you have nothing to complain about ... but you cannot run from the fact that we have in the past had decent talls which have gotten us no where.


With the midfield we currently have, we would have gotten a lot closer to Brisbane that night.


We could have drafted Roughead, Franklin, Mitchell Clarke etc, sure. However if we continued to go on getting killed in the Centre by the quality teams ... We would have never won a premiership. Rebuilding the midfield into a classy outfit is clearly the #1 priority of TW and there is no way you can claim it wasn't the right choice.

so you rate holland one of the worst players ive ever seen ottens who has shown hes good ordinary only. ditto benny gale. gaspar who cant kick to save himself and richo. none of them are the types who are going to win you premierships. with the exception of holland the best you can say about the rest is they have been sevicable.the fact that we have not been able to come up with players to at least put pressure on richo and gaspar yet alone replace them speaks volumes about how poor our kpp recruiting has been for a long long time.

we have had serious deficiencies right across the board for yrs. our early picks should not just be used on skinny outside players. which has been the case.
we took deledio with pick 1 franklin should of been taken with pick 4 failing that pick 12 should of been used on a tall along with pick 16 any of bate wood or gibson would look good in a tiger jumper all 3 would look better.
a draft going something like this deledio or griffen 1 franklin 4 meyer 12 wood 16 gibson 20 eckerman sherman attard knights betts and numerous other smalls still available at picks 36 52 and 65.
if this was done in 04 or something similar the taking of jon instead of clarke would not of mattered so much.
the question richmond needs to ask itself is why have sides in rebuilding mode (haw ca co ess ) concentrated their early picks on on talls i know the answer to this but it seems those in charge at the club dont. just remember to get quality you usually have to use early picks to get it .this is true of talls as well as smalls.but it seems theres a lot more small mids to pick from in each draft.
and lastly to think we have had quality talls well thats just plain wrong we may have had the odd one but we have certainly lacked quality and for that matter numbers i think in 03 we had just 9 genuine talls on the listwhat a farce.if we are not going to use early picks ontalls we should at least be trying to find some decent ones by turning plenty of them over.something that just isnt happening.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Deledio or Griffen? Geez claw while Griffen is going to be good Lid,s allround ability to play in any possie bar ruck will be clearer why he went #1.You keep saying we should have taken Franklin ok then who do you rate better Roughead or Franklin as Key Position player?
I admit i was surprised we didnt take Wood however its way to early to call in regards to both Wood & Pattison.
You say dont turnover players to aquire talls.Well hello Troy Symonds for Fiora ring a bell?
And what other high quality Talls/KPP,s were on the market at the time?

 

[the claw]

Deledio or Griffen? Geez claw while Griffen is going to be good Lid,s allround ability to play in any possie bar ruck will be clearer why he went #1.You keep saying we should have taken Franklin ok then who do you rate better Roughead or Franklin as Key Position player?
I admit i was surprised we didnt take Wood however its way to early to call in regards to both Wood & Pattison.
You say dont turnover players to aquire talls.Well hello Troy Symonds for Fiora ring a bell?
And what other high quality Talls/KPP,s were on the market at the time?

you miss the point we used 1 early pick out of 5 early picks on a tall and imo took the wrong one.when we should of used 2 in our first 4 picks and another by our sixth.as i said if you want quality you have to be prepared to use early picks.it seems those in charge think they can build a quality spine and good spine depth by useing late picks somehow i dont think its going to happen do you. what will happen is we will end up with more hollands halls kellaways etc in the main.

as for simmonds in a round about way he replaced ottens plain and simple a ruckman for a ruckman we hardley had a choice did we because we sure as hell didnt have any young development rucks on the list. in fact we only have one now and hes a highly speculative rookie listed player.

as for who do i rate higher franklin or roughhead the question you should be asking is do i think they would become more important players than tambling and meyer(i say tambling and meyer because one of those picks should of been a tall) the answer to that is yes.anyway roughhead doesnt come into it as he went with pick 2.

lastly given a choice between deledio and griffen i would take deledio but i would not be surprised if griffen turns out the better player i would take both in a heartbeat.

and finally having ignored talls in the main with early picks what did we do the following draft jon instead of clarke or drum if we wanted talls. and having taken jon they were prepared to take casserly at 24 but fortunately hughes slipped.
the ad hock approach to our recruiting really does bemuse me.

 

[craig]

And me, i will be watching Mills, Spangher and Clarke with interest this year and next for sure.

Had we been able to snare one of those along with Hughes the tigers would be very well served in regard to building a spine, when Thursty is thrown in along with the hopeful rising of the sarge as well.

 

[Disco08]

Will you both be happy if we take talls with our 2 highest picks this year?

 

[the claw]

Will you both be happy if we take talls with our 2 highest picks this year?

no our first pick should be best available if there is a tall and small on par with each other take the tall.ie pavlich - fiora  tambling - franklin jon - clarke or drum. if we use our first pick on a small or mid our next couple should go to talls.  im hoping we trade for a couple of first round picks and they are used on quality talls.
one thing i will be unhappy with is if we use our first pick on another skinny outside hbflanker.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

the ad hock approach to our recruiting really does bemuse me.

Those who went to the "draft night" last year would dispute that claim.Besides Claw you know as well as i do at the end of the day its what the coach wants.
What did we lack in 04?
Skill!
What does Lids,Tambo & Meyer all have in common? excellent foot skills and pace.
Have these attributes in place and you can make a "ordinary" KPP into a good one.Daniel Bradshaw[bris] a perfect example.
The 05 draft was more about the future and where the game is heading according to TW.You only had to look at the pre-season comp to see where its heading.

 

[tigertough12]

the ad hock approach to our recruiting really does bemuse me.

Those who went to the "draft night" last year would dispute that claim.Besides Claw you know as well as i do at the end of the day its what the coach wants.
What did we lack in 04?
Skill!
What does Lids,Tambo & Meyer all have in common? excellent foot skills and pace.
Have these attributes in place and you can make a "ordinary" KPP into a good one.Daniel Bradshaw[bris] a perfect example.
The 05 draft was more about the future and where the game is heading according to TW.You only had to look at the pre-season comp to see where its heading.

Thats a top reply :clap

ps. Danny Meyer will win the NAB Rising Star Award

 

[the claw]

just a little scenario for youits 2008 stafford gaspar kellaway and richo are retired its the talls we have on the list NOW who should be taking their place.

kpb on the list are thursfield shows enough to suggest he will make it at least as a 3rd tall will he bulk up enough to play fb  chb. hall very average cant win flags with his type. moore will he make it big q mark. is he capable of playing in the key defensive posts at this stage 3rd tall option only.
forwards  p bowden is more a flanker than a kpp. cleve hughes looks okay probable ff in time.limbach speculative pick who knows he has his admirers where it counts. mcguane shows promise no guarantee he will make it. pattison touted as a chf all indicators so far are he wont make a chf best option for him is ruck.has a pace problem and because of this questions have to be asked if he will make it or not. schulz like most of the above the question has to be asked is he good enough.graham ruck easy come easy go.simmonds ruck will be 31 with his best way behind him.knobel ruck a tap ruckman nothing more nothing less no other strings to his bow is never gunna win ya a game of footy.

as far as i can see we only have 2 young talls 22 or under on the list that you could say with some sort of conviction will definately make the grade.  this has come about because we refuse to use early picks on talls.just think deledio jon tambling meyer casserly polo all running around in 3 yrs time ready to play good footy and they are going nowhere because we are in the exact same boat we are in now when it comes to talls.

only 2 certain kpp on the list in 3 yrs time to me thats ad hock even if we could say with certainty 4 will definately make it its still ad hock. you ask what did we lack in 04 yes skill was one of the problems we lacked skilled smalls skilled mediums and skilled talls. we have to many slow smalll mid and tall players we lack physicality we lack footy smarts we definately lack ball winners ffs we lack everything but that doesnt mean we should only target fast skinny midfielder types with our early picks. in fact because of development times we should be targeting talls first. just like the bulldogs terry has got it arse about.