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Richmond's next trade strategies - great article from The Roar
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I reckon he has watched the game, realised how wrong he was and is now pretending he cant find it.Sounds like more anti-Richmond bias, TBR.
It's alright, found it on the AFL site. 2 out of first 3 GWS scores thus far from Taranto turnovers.
you have me intrigued - completely disagree though on 2 of first 3 scores and you have and bit of confirmation bias going on here. definitely 1 of 3 but not from a skill error. like you i couldn't find it on kayo but once i searched 'richmond' it came up in a list. kayo really does suck.
- first behind is from a holding the ball as opposed to a kicking error (dodges first tackle and gets caught by second and had time to release quickly) - not sure this is a pattern we are concerned about
- second behind prestia pushed in back, gets landed on back and makes no attempt to dispose of it probably expecting to get a free (bit silly to expect that and then not to do the pretend effort to dispose of it that most players do - and a pattern for him) then holding the ball
- third behind taranto puts it in front of riewoldt and to his advantage in a good spot who is spoiled and/or not strong enough to mark and GWS grab the crumb. this was a really good kick. ive watched it three times. he did have an open runner to his left that was probably a better handpass option than to kick it - but riewoldt should have
marked it and if he did the runner to the left would have been the next option (whereas if he handpassed riewoldt is not in position to get the following kick). plus you can't see up the ground on the TV footage to know what else is unfolding.
- next scoring play he win a HTB and kicks accurately for a goal
You know, none of this discussion would be happening if he just looked up before he disposed.
He's a gun in every way except composure. And it's really fixable too.
If I was his coach, I'd throw an egg at him every time he looks at his boot when he kicks. Just. Look. Up.
He'd be the best player in the league over night.
He's a gun in every way except composure. And it's really fixable too.
If I was his coach, I'd throw an egg at him every time he looks at his boot when he kicks. Just. Look. Up.
He'd be the best player in the league over night.
It's a nice article - but seriously? Holding up Geelong as the model to follow in a rebuild? They've won 1 premiership in twelve years. And they don't have the look of dynasty about them now do they? I reckon we're much closer to our next dynasty than Geelong. Much. Give me a gun forward in free agency and one or two jets in the midfield - drafted or traded in - over the next few years and we're good for another 3 flags between 2025 - 2030. As sure as there's sand in the Sahara, Geelong are in for a long dry spell.
Be careful, the masseuse does not like to be held accountable by facts.
I thought the main issue of discussion was Taranto's kicking and how much the opposition score from his kicking errors. Consistent with his MO old body rub makes a claim that appears to be non-factual when scrutinised. Seems like it's none of the first 3 scores to GWS were from Taranto kicking errors.
RE resident PRE fact checker!
It's also about Team Balance...the rest of the side must be capable of playing good footy, when those three or four blue chip midfielders need a spell!
Brisbane could do it...and did it for three out of four GF's...even Geelong!
Really interesting set of team stats BR.
One that lept out at me is 1st in the AFL in metres gained, yet 13th? On the ladder.
I have 3 questions in relation to this;
1. Is it true champion data invented metres gained stat in 2018 to explain richmond? And
2. If you are first in metres gained, but your % is below 100, doesnt that describe mathematically how our footy looks; that we expend too much effort/goal? And
3. If it WAS all about territory back when metres gained meant something, what is it all about now? i.e what are Collingwood 1st at?
And
4. Whose the coach none of us have thought of who can make champion data invent a new statistic and make AFL house invent new rules? Are we looking for The Mother of Invention?
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On the contention that Taranto is not a good enough midfielder to build a premiership team around I would differ on principle alone. He does enough of the important things in football at an extremely high level and has some deficiencies (hopefully he gets better at those things, of course). But you build your team and game plan around making the most of what he does well (just like you do with the key other players) and put in place players that do well the things he doesn't.
Just like our 2017 team did.
For example, Martin was never a great defensive mid - so you put players around him that were e.g. Cotchin and a game plan not centered on that metric e.g. rather than tackles, intercepts from second and third possessions from the contested possession won by the opposition.
Just like our 2017 team did.
For example, Martin was never a great defensive mid - so you put players around him that were e.g. Cotchin and a game plan not centered on that metric e.g. rather than tackles, intercepts from second and third possessions from the contested possession won by the opposition.
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I might partially agree with BR on TT.
I think your gonna struggle to win a flag if hes your BEST midfielder.
He isnt as good as cotchy, dusty, shai, dion, sheds.
But that is certainly not to say he isnt very good.
If hes your 3rd best mid, and hopper your 4th, your in very good shape.
We have No.1 in Shai. We just need either Sonz to climb into No.2, or grab noah anderson
I think your gonna struggle to win a flag if hes your BEST midfielder.
He isnt as good as cotchy, dusty, shai, dion, sheds.
But that is certainly not to say he isnt very good.
If hes your 3rd best mid, and hopper your 4th, your in very good shape.
We have No.1 in Shai. We just need either Sonz to climb into No.2, or grab noah anderson
Which part? That he isn't very good nor arguably in the top 150 players in the AFL? That he would not have made any of our premiership sides? That we may not have won if he was in those GF sides? Ot that his turnovers caused 2 of the first 3 GWS scores?
Given that the last part is the only real refutable statement (although on many statistical measures the first part could be argued to be total crap), and it has been refuted by RE, I'd contend a lot of what the masseuse claims as fact should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt.
I think BR makes a good argument, and can definately apply, eg of coleman winning Jack is a good one, but I don't think it applies to TT.
As already said, the gun mids all let loose a fair few clangers, to a man. Their plays has a high degree of difficulty and they take risks along with that. But I think he can and will improve his polish, trying a bit too hard I reckon. I was on board with getting him and still on board.
As already said, the gun mids all let loose a fair few clangers, to a man. Their plays has a high degree of difficulty and they take risks along with that. But I think he can and will improve his polish, trying a bit too hard I reckon. I was on board with getting him and still on board.
Right now he's better than all of them, even Shai, just in terms of sheer output. But not better than Dusty/Cotch/Prestia in 2017, fair enough.
Disagree with TBR that he has to be the "prime mid", although I guess you could make that case given his contract details. And yes, he's a part of the puzzle, not the whole thing.