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Richmond's performance from Rd 1 to now.
- Thread starter Rosy
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too early to call.
have had a few injuries the last 4 weeks whereas round one we were fully fit
johnno/richo/simmo/thursfield are pretty cruical.
id say wallacw would want 4 more wins to be happy
i also believe we have had the easiest draw of 2008
have had a few injuries the last 4 weeks whereas round one we were fully fit
johnno/richo/simmo/thursfield are pretty cruical.
id say wallacw would want 4 more wins to be happy
i also believe we have had the easiest draw of 2008
You're right about the Geelong games and we improved by about 60 or 70 points for the rematch, maybe the cats were napping second time around.rosy23 said:
Bit harder to compare the rematch against Cartoon as they played barely fit Judd and Stevens first round. Stevens was fit this time and Judd was replaced by a fit player.
It also probably took Cartoon a few games this season to get over their full on tanking mindset from last year and realise they were playing a new season.
Taking into account the following, I'd say it's line ball..
In Favour;
On average, improvement through rounds 1-9
Some kids coming on
Against;
Noticeable decline through rounds 10-14.
Last quarters (particularly last 5 rounds)
Sydney embarrasment
Failing to meet expectations in Saturdays blockbuster
If I had to jump off the fence I'd say 2% improvement.
I also think for Terry to use the difference between two Geelong games as a measurement is way too 1 dimensional and doesn't really prove anything.
In Favour;
On average, improvement through rounds 1-9
Some kids coming on
Against;
Noticeable decline through rounds 10-14.
Last quarters (particularly last 5 rounds)
Sydney embarrasment
Failing to meet expectations in Saturdays blockbuster
If I had to jump off the fence I'd say 2% improvement.
I also think for Terry to use the difference between two Geelong games as a measurement is way too 1 dimensional and doesn't really prove anything.
I'm absolutely certain we've improved in some aspects.
We've moved about 1 inch in our 42km run though.
We've moved about 1 inch in our 42km run though.
Carlton have definitely improved since Round 1. Round 1 was a terrible standard. The reality is this time around against Carlton we were better than them when we played attacking footy. As soon as we started playing defensively they got the better of us. That's what made the loss so disappointing.
I'd almost separate this into two types of improvement: actual and developmental.
It was great to win round 1 but it wasn't exactly a revelation. Even Wallace said after the game "So what?" You can see things have improved from there. Remember we're 3-3 from the last six matches.
What I think is far more important is the developmental improvement. When we improved in 05/06 it was on the back of the senior players, Bowden, Brown, Simmonds, Kellaway, Tuck; Wallace was good at getting the best out of them, but the fact is they would never be around for our next period of success, let alone get us a one-off shot at the 8.
Now we're getting to about the same level again, on track for about 8 or 9 wins, but on the back of Lids, Foley, Cotchin, Morton, Hughes, Thursfield and Moore (Tambling could have been in there based on form up to Round 9).
When you're improvement is coming from the kids who will be there for the next ten years, it's a type of improvement you can get a bit more excited about.
It was great to win round 1 but it wasn't exactly a revelation. Even Wallace said after the game "So what?" You can see things have improved from there. Remember we're 3-3 from the last six matches.
What I think is far more important is the developmental improvement. When we improved in 05/06 it was on the back of the senior players, Bowden, Brown, Simmonds, Kellaway, Tuck; Wallace was good at getting the best out of them, but the fact is they would never be around for our next period of success, let alone get us a one-off shot at the 8.
Now we're getting to about the same level again, on track for about 8 or 9 wins, but on the back of Lids, Foley, Cotchin, Morton, Hughes, Thursfield and Moore (Tambling could have been in there based on form up to Round 9).
When you're improvement is coming from the kids who will be there for the next ten years, it's a type of improvement you can get a bit more excited about.
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It's interesting to consider the improvement on that narrow a criteria, though probably not insightful.
Overall I can see improvement. IIRC we've led hard ball gets in almost every game this year. That's an improvement.
Doesn't explain our lack of bumping and shepherding, clearly it's not the contest we are avoiding, it's the selflessness required to take yourself out of the play in order to advantage the team. In that area we haven't improved.
We are getting plenty of ball too. Leading the disposal count in most games. Obviously some of the handball merry-go-round in the back half has inflated this, but Lids had more kicks and handballs this weekend, that's an improvement.
Two out of three ain't bad. ;D
Overall I can see improvement. IIRC we've led hard ball gets in almost every game this year. That's an improvement.
Doesn't explain our lack of bumping and shepherding, clearly it's not the contest we are avoiding, it's the selflessness required to take yourself out of the play in order to advantage the team. In that area we haven't improved.
We are getting plenty of ball too. Leading the disposal count in most games. Obviously some of the handball merry-go-round in the back half has inflated this, but Lids had more kicks and handballs this weekend, that's an improvement.
Two out of three ain't bad. ;D
Don't know that it's possible. Hence it's also not possible to make too much by comparing our two games with Carlton. So - yeah - it's pretty subjective.rosy23 said:
But for all that - I'd suggest that Carlton this time round are a better team than they were in Round 1. And that could support an argument that we've also improved.
GoodOne said:
Yes game One was an embarassing standard, but it was Round 1 between 15th and 16th from the previous year.
I just hope from here on we play a little devil-may-care style. You know, risk another burst like the one against Melbourne. Risk doing it often enough it could even become a habit trying. We've definately improved overall, but I still worry about 2011 without Johnso, Richo, Bowdo, Simmo and Browny
I agree with this, I don't think we have improved that much at all from an actual results perspective, our ladder position proves this. The fact that we are getting the equivalent results from a massive influx of kids who are still at least two years from starting to hit their peak means that we have massive scope for improvement.Tiger Opinion said:
There are more kids in the side compared to Round 1 with Tiv, Schulz & Petts out of the side. Except for Richo, the senior players have been the ones letting the team down except for the occasional big game from Johnson, Simmo & Brown, they've been far from consistent. It's the Moores, Deledios, Foleys, etc that are carrying the side now.
Plus the fact that Cotchin is now playing is an instant improvement over round 1, we've got a live one here.
pharace said:I still worry about 2011 without Johnso, Richo, Bowdo, Simmo and Browny
That's just it in a nutshell.
Any perceived improvement on the front end will be tapered by key departures at the back.
Re: Richmond's performance to this stage
i disagree just because you win a few extra games does it mean improvement on the previous yr. as for improvement since rnd 1 i would say we are at the same level. apart from a period where we had some honourable losses (is there such a thing as honourable losses some would say its an excuse to wallow in mediocrity. lose a tight game in trying circumstances and all of a sudden close losses become acceptable. which is exactly the mentality of our club and its supporters.)we have been deplorable in many areas the frustrating thing its the same problems from yr to yr with nothing being addressed.mb64 said: