Rising Star

[graystar1]

I wondered how long it would take before somebody would try and take the gloss off Lids win. Not long at all.

Eades comments hint at bias by KB. Does not say so in as many words, but the implication is there.

Seems like everything Richmond is to be denigrated at all costs. Would the same criticism be levelled at another of the nine judges if Griffen had won?? I don't think so.

 

[billyb#40]

Maybe KB is softening in his old age and starting to be Tigerish again
Great to kick them all in the groin and crown Deledio as the king of the kids. Maybe he sees a bit of himself in Deledio.
On the other hand one of the few to vote SA born Griffen ahead of Deledio was that turkey from SA
Shocking bias by a smal minded croweater.
Thank god that KB fixed him right up and restored the Tigers and the big V to its rightful status as number uno.

I'm going to have a quite lie down now

 

[Brettstigers]

The mathamaticians on this thread haven't worked it through properly. Lids got 7 fives and 2 fours.

KB probably should have given griffin three or four at least, that doesn't take away Lids victory, it just means Mundy gets further away in third.

Our resident genius posing the ten point turnaround suggested that to give Griffin five votes you had to not give Lids any (ooh ahh scandal), which was never going to happen. Griffin couldn't win while so many of the judges gave him their five vote or failing that their four vote.

Storm in a teacup kiddies.

 

[billyb#40]

The mathamaticians on this thread haven't worked it through properly.  Lids got 7 fives and 2 fours.

KB probably should have given griffin three or four at least, that doesn't take away Lids victory, it just means Mundy gets further away in third. 

Our resident genius posing the ten point turnaround suggested that to give Griffin five votes you had to not give Lids any (ooh ahh scandal), which was never going to happen.  Griffin couldn't win while so many of the judges gave him their five vote or failing that their four vote.

Storm in a teacup kiddies.

Reread the post that prompted this reply, something abot he would have won if G had got 5 and D zip. So the maths genius was right and you are wrong brest tiger.

 

[Braddles]

Heard KB this morning at the start of his "Hungry for sport" show (running late for work as usual!). He said that he placed Griffen sixth and F ranklin 7th, thought that it was possible that those two boys could be vying for best player in the comp in a ccouple of years. He wasn't interested in what they might be, rather he voted purely on how he saw the performances of all the players this year. Might have been trying to deflect criticism, by saying "Hey, I DID vote for Griffen, you just didn't see it cos they wouldn't let me give votes for all 22 players!!!"

Said he'd pumped up Griffen's tyres on the Fox Footy commentary this year, and that he wasn't anti Griffen or anti Footscray. Also said that he kept hearing that Griffen SHOULD have been in his top 5, but no one had given him a definitive reason as to WHY. I can see his point in a way as the boys he voted for have all had very good years. As others have said, he's certainly his own man and has his own ideas (also once he's made his mind up, we know he sticks to it  :'(  ;D  ).

For mine, I thought he got it wrong not including Griffen in his top 5, thought he was clearly better than the rest with the exception of our boy Lids who was clearly better than him.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Thanks for that Braddles.

 

[Brettstigers]

Reread the post that prompted this reply, something abot he would have won if G had got 5 and D zip. So the maths genius was right and you are wrong brest tiger.


Oh dear.

1.  Scenario - KB does vote for Griffin. 
2.  Assume KB gives Griffin a four, all other votes remain the same.
3.  Lids = 7 x 5, + 2 x 4 = 43 - no change
4.  Griffin = 2 x 5 + 7 x 4 = 38

Lids still wins, Mundy further away, Griff baby still 2nd place.  What I was trying to point out was that Lids would still have an unassailable winning margin even if KB had voted for Griffin.  It wasn't sensible to assume that Lids wouldn't have polled a vote - he always polled first or second.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

KB is a voting member and he has to call it as he sees it, it's an opinion thing. Being a former Richmond player there were always going to be accusations of bias. Only KB himself can tell you whether it was a conscious decision to get the Tiger over the line, he's said no, so that's where the matter should end. You can bet Eade will try and use it as motivation when Richmond play the Doggies next year though.

 

[Third Ring]

Oh dear.

1.  Scenario - KB does vote for Griffin. 
2.  Assume KB gives Griffin a four, all other votes remain the same.
3.  Lids = 7 x 5, + 2 x 4 = 43 - no change
4.  Griffin = 2 x 5 + 5 x 4 = 30

Lids still wins, Mundy further away, Griff baby still 2nd place.  What I was trying to point out was that Lids would still have an unassailable winning margin even if KB had voted for Griffin.  It wasn't sensible to assume that Lids wouldn't have polled a vote - he always polled first or second.


I'm with you on this one BT

 

[Anduril]

According to the "Sporting Life" column in today's Age KB has replied to Eade using a set of statistics form the firm ProWess. Their Rising Star rankings are based on 17 different catergories, 'from possessions, to contested and uncontested kicks right down to "1 percenters".'
Based on this Griffen only rated 9th in the top 10, 296 points behind Lids who was ranked number 1.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it Rodney. Good work Anduril.

 

[Nico]

KB was a Bulldogs supporter up until he started with Richmond, even saw their last flag in 54 as a kid. Therefore he could easily have given Griffen 1, 2 3, or 4 votes without anyone blinking an eyelid.

Lids was a standout...but 2nd to 7th could have been any combination.

KB said that he gave the votes how he saw it...and didn't just go by what the journos thought in the paper.

Lids was the rightful winner, Griffen came second. Good result.....

Eade is becoming a bit of a whinger...couldn't work out his criticism of Harris's treatment on Richo....i thought Harris was scragging Richo all day...

 

[CarnTheTiges]

What do you mean Eade is becoming a bit of a whinger? He has ALWAYS been a whinger. I remember his Harris comment and the Fox commentators on the day were a bit bemused by it, including Carey who has been red hot on the umpires all season and if they make a decision he thinks is on the nose then he lets everyone know about it.

 

[shawry]

CAn draw a straw with Knuckles Kerley giving the fellow South Australian Griffin the 5 too. Who knows, I know Kerley would rather look after his own though, yet again maybe he believed it. I dont think im biased but Deledio w=easily the best by a mile in my opinion.

 

[Ridley]

couldn't work out his criticism of Harris's treatment on Richo....i thought Harris was scragging Richo all day...

Eade's comments as re Harris were a complete disgrace. Harris is a hack; he was scragging the Cow all day and if the umpires were doing their job properly Cow would have kicked another 3 or 4 on that DUD! Eade's a whinging sook who's bitter we chose Wallace over him.

As for KB not having Griffen in the top 5 taking gloss off Lids' win; what a load of crap. Voting is subjective and IMO Lids was clearly the best of the lot.

 

[newyorktiger]

Storm in a teacup really.  Each person voting is entitled to their opinion based on what they place more value on.  Same thing happens in Brownlow's & B&F's.  Greg Williams getting 40'odd possessions & not getting a vote is just another example.  Each to their own.  No worse than Neil Kerley choosing Griffen ahead of Lids - just showing his SA bias.   ;D

Maybe KB likes to turn it around because he never polled well in the brownlow...

 

[Rosy]

Astute KB.

Prowess rising star rankings from The Age

PROWESS' RISING STAR (rankings)

1. B Deledio (Rich) 948

2. J Adcock (BL) 842

3. B McLean (Melb) 836

4. K Bradley (Ess) 729

5. J Sherman (BL) 688

6. D Mundy (Fre) 662

J Lewis (Haw) 662

8. A Corrie (BL) 658

9. R Griffen (WB) 652

10. A Selwood (WC) 647

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Storm in a teacup really.  Each person voting is entitled to their opinion based on what they place more value on.  Same thing happens in Brownlow's & B&F's.  Greg Williams getting 40'odd possessions & not getting a vote is just another example.  Each to their own.  No worse than Neil Kerley choosing Griffen ahead of Lids - just showing his SA bias.   ;D

Maybe KB likes to turn it around because he never polled well in the brownlow...

KB actually polled well in at least one Brownlow I can remember, Teasdale should never have won that. Bartlett had his name written all over it. Sheedy was right when he said Teasdale was an ordinary medallist. The only player to have done less after winning it is possibly Woewodin.

 

[billyb#40]

Reread the post that prompted this reply, something abot he would have won if G had got 5 and D zip. So the maths genius was right and you are wrong brest tiger.


Oh dear.

1.  Scenario - KB does vote for Griffin. 
2.  Assume KB gives Griffin a four, all other votes remain the same.
3.  Lids = 7 x 5, + 2 x 4 = 43 - no change
4.  Griffin = 2 x 5 + 7 x 4 = 38

Lids still wins, Mundy further away, Griff baby still 2nd place.  What I was trying to point out was that Lids would still have an unassailable winning margin even if KB had voted for Griffin.  It wasn't sensible to assume that Lids wouldn't have polled a vote - he always polled first or second.

No disservice at all and I'm surprised anybody would think so. KB is entitled to his own opinions. Even if he'd given Griffin 5 and Lids none Lids would have still won.

As you can see from Rosy's post Griffen 5, Lids None
therefore
Griffin 39
Deledio 38
Therefore no argument that "Lids would poll first or second" because the basis of the post was that he got none