Round 1 2008 Richmond Tigers Team

[momentai]

No way would I look at Brennan. Cousins would be my choice but wouldn't expect him to play first team before July, at the earliest. Cotchin an obvious rd 1 pick, but may also start at Coburg.

B King Thursfield Polak
HB Bowden Moore Mcguane
C Tambling Jackson Edwards
HF Newman Pattison Pettifer
F Brown Schulz Deledio
R Simmonds Tuck Foley
Res Connor Polo Richardson Morton*
Em Coughlan Raines Reiwoldt.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Crikey our team had better be hitting the weights this off season.

We are going to get smashed the way some of these teams are lining up. :-\

 

[tigertim]

Our backline worries me. Toooo small. Could we get some of these skinnies up the park and put some of our stronger players behind the ball? BTW we have no midfield.

Despite our abundance of defensive smalls we have few who can play in a back line. Should we invent some?

Thursfield is a good enough player to overcome his deficiencies (chiefly his lack of body mass). IMO he can become a CHB. Even coming off that horrific knee Will showed improved ball winning ability and continued to use well. Polak is a genius by hand but Thursty is reliable and will use the ball quickly and direct. He is several classes better than the Pole-hack defensively. So let's say we've got one key back albeit a light one.

Joel is twice All Aust. I've never thought that he was worth two bob as a small. Makes Newman look like Francis Bourke. But he's strong. Punches kgs above his weight and but for the odd AWOL is a good competitor. Unfortunately that makes him #1 back at Richmond. It's a shame we couldn't have downgraded #2 in this draft for #7 to pick up Danny Jacobs but Joel will do until we get a champion like Danny.

So they're our key backs.

The #3 back slot is interesting. Normally you'd like a running good user who can compete in the air but we haven't got one so we need additional aerial support. Pole-hack is a handy third man up but he doesn't use the ball forward and is too easily taken out of the contest IMO. He does not run forward with the ball. Line through his name IMO. The Sarge can't run and Cleve can't run or jump. Moore is a small. Not much to choose from. McGuane is not ready.

One thing you can do is play more tall flankers to help the #1 and #2 backs. If you have no #3 back.

So let's play Polo, Moore and Deledio as the small backs. Very good in the air for smalls. Good pace. All bar one can play tight and it's about time he learned.

Unfortunately we haven't recruited enough players with the minimum size requirements to fit out a whole backline so we'll have to play a rookie. Let's give Connors a go.

So 2008 back line:

K.Moore J.Bowden D.Polo
B.Deledio W.Thursfield D.Connors

(A bit of dash off the flanks. And some versatility. 21st C?)

In the absence of A.Raines, J.King, M.Morton and J.McMahon (all very smalls) our back line is still undersized. But it almost looks like a back line in a football team.

This would also free up smalls who can chase and tackle up forward. Smalls like King and... That's a problem for another day.

Couldnt agree more Jack, we need to get some run and decent disposal down back (and forward and in the middle too!). Newy doesnt give enough run, Rainesy's up and under kicks are a detriment. Jury would be out on Willy holding down CHB though and Joel too at FB but I certainly agree with your theory.

 

[Ruthless Tigers ?]

Im going with us picking up Brennan in the PSD - unless miller can pull some other pony out of the hat...

King McGuane

McMahon J.Bowden

Polo Tambling

Pettifer Connors

Browny Brennan

R. Foley, Newman

I. Raines, Jackson, Morton,


...all in all another long year coming up for the yellow and black.

With a strong leaning towards flankers and skinny kids I thought this would be more appropriate for round 1 2008.

 

[Tango]

The way i see it the following 19 players are guaranteed a spot bar injury (not in nay order or position):

1. King
2. Thursfeild
3. Bowden
4. Polak
5. Polo
6. Newman
7. Deledio
8. Foley
9. Tuck
10. Coughlan
11. Pattison
12. Pettifer
13. Brown
14. Simmons
15. Richo
16. Morton
17. Johnson
18. Edwards
19. Mcmahon

the rest will be fighting for the remaining 3 spots with the likes of:

Connors, Tambling, Riewoldt, Bowden, Mcguann, Raines as the front runners

 

[tigers#7]

Best team, without PSD and draft picks.

FB: King Thursfield McGuane
HB: Bowden Polak McMahon
C: Connors Foley Newman
HF: Pettifer Richardson Tambling
FF: Brown Deledio Edwards
R: Simmonds Coughlan Jackson
INT: Pattison Tuck Johnson Raines

EMER: Riewoldt Morton Polo

 

[tigertekka]

Fb King, Thursfield, McGuane

Hb McMahon, WHITNALL, Polo

C Bowden, Tuck , Newman

Hf Deledio, Richardson, Tambling

Ff Brown, Polak, Pettifer

Ruck Simmonds, Coughlan, Foley

Int Pattison, Morton, Connors, Edwards,

we have enough red heads in our team why would we pick a no pace,no endurance,fat one?

 

[Dyer'ere]

FB K.Moore J.Bowden D.Polo
HB B.Deledio W.Thursfield D.Connors

Much of the pressure on our undesized KDs can be alleviated by getting the extra defenders back to double team and triple team. Moore and Deledio have blistering pace. And the other two can move. They're free to zone off.

Rucks are a problem. I'm a big fan of Simmo's work. Fine outside ruck. But his tapwork is just a bit better than handy. This IMO is an advantage. Tap reliant midfields are eminently stoppable. And the wheels tend to fall off in big games.

I don't believe Simmonds plays forward well. He posts up beautifully but his defensive work is non-existent due to a lack of pace and he cannot mark under the pressure of a tall back. Must play ruck.

I'm okay with Patto and Graham. Patto is already in the top few clearance rucks in the comp if the ball can be brought down close - that is not tapped clear by the other ruck. The trouble is he doesn't get high enough often enough to effect that. He can take a grab in a pack. Reminds me of Nick Holland before the shoulders went in this respect.

He's worth persevering with. He works for a living. We can use him in the defensive hole when he rucks or to tag runners like Cox. And he can play in the goalsquare when we push Richo up the park. No star but worth a chance. And will improve if he can get more air or work smarter without it.

Graham is fine for a #3 ruck. A project player. We could even play all three at times to give us some extra height around the ground. We need to recruit more rucks, sure but our stocks even with the current players will improve markedly in 2008.

I would much rather stick with the current crop than take a Richards or a Blake type. Better to home grow some more than look at this type of dud.

If we were to take Kreuzer that'd be a plus for the ruck stocks. But at what cost to the rest of the team? Depends on what Morton or Cotchin or even Masten become.

Rucks: Simmonds Patterson Graham plus at least one of draftee or rookie.

 

[the claw]

fb polo 22 thursfield 22 riewoldt 20.

hb deledio 21 polak 24 mcmahon 25.

c edwards 20 connors 20 tambling 22.

hf brown 30 hughes 21` newman 26.

ff mcguane 21 richo 33 king 24.

r simmo 30 tuck 27 foley 23.

int graham 21 bowden 30 coughlan26 cotchin 18.

emg pettifer johnson raines morton johnson pattison jackson

i know plenty will scoff at this team. my attitude is lets play as many of our developing types as practicle. ive listed next to each player the age they will turn in 2008. my to concerns with this line up is the age of players in the back line and centre line. it may be that j bowden will come in for riewoldt and coughlan if he is right for connors.

ive picked polak at chb. if hes going to make it this is where he has to play. he is the only big body on the list capable of playing kpd.
polo has taken newmans spot. while i have concerns about polos kicking i have confidence that he will stop opposition small forwards from having an influence.
thursfield is not ideal at fb hes the only option atm though. this is where riewoldt or bowden come into it they are there to give thursfield a hand. i think riewoldt has a brain and good skills in fact all players in the backline have good skills bar polo im assuming mcmahons yr was an aberation in regards turnovers.

there is also plenty of pace run and carry with deledio mcmahon and polo.

the centre line while young has pace outside and good kicking skills and a kid in the middle who is both tough and smart the concern with him atm is fitness he will have to be rotated in and out of there.

the hf have browny hughes and newman. ive picked hughes at chf because its time for him to take a decent step in the right direction. if he doesnt work out after 3 or 4 games i would give pattison a crack there. newman because he can bring a more defnsive mind set to the forward line.
the ff line is mcguane as a third tall option this kid has great hands richo ff speaks for itself i wouldnt like to see either of these blokes getting to far from goal. and jake king in a fp. to me its obvious he will chase and harass and apply heaps of pressure on forwards bringing the ball out. i can also see him kicking his fair share of goals.

on the interchange ive promoted graham as the only other ruckman on the list. this is a risk but imo we have nothing to lose. bowden and cogs give experience and cotchin is one who maybe ready to go straight away.

of the emergencies theres a case to play them all but im more into fast tracking as many kids as possible.

 

[Tango]

interesting claw my comments on your team:

fb polo thursfield mcguane

hb connors polak mcmahon

c bowden tuck newman

hf king hughes pettifer

ff brown richo deledio

r simmo coughlan foley

int patto morton edwards tambling

1. Riewoldt is too slow to play back but lets give him a go the and see how he copes but i think he is a year away (i believe macguane is better suited but needs to work all off season on kicking skills and weights)
2. Patto is the second best ruck not graeme so i would swap them
3. get mcguane out of the fwd line swap him with riewoldt cant afford richo and mcgunae wasting opportunities
4. i like hughes at CHF, he has sublime skills and will score if he pulls his finger out (watch him go bang in 2 years time)
5. deledio is wasted at hbf we have a whole list that can play there, get him in the fwd line
6. centre line of edwards, connors and tambling is too young and small
7. bowden tuck and newman add size and grunt to the centreline
8. edwards to the bench, connors at hbf
9. i know you hate pettifer but he is a marking fwd and kicks goals
10. i like king in the fwd line as well
11. richo, hughes, pettifer, brown and deledio are all marking fwds

 

[Scoop]

Just noticed, not many people have A.Raines in there sides.

Is he back to playing for his footballing life in 2008?

 

[SkunkDen]

Just noticed, not many people have A.Raines in there sides.

Is he back to playing for his footballing life in 2008?

exactly, raines is in our starting 18 all day every day, idk but ppl forget that most players who hav a big first year hav a quiet 2nd year, eg. danyle pearce, marc murphy, our own B.Deledio, young star players come out of the blue and get under opposition radars, they then r looked for in the 2nd year and hav to deal wit extra pressure applied by the opposition, they then get used to this and flurish. nobody should be too worried about raines, they should be more concerned about our 5th year players who still arent performing the way we would like.

 

[tigertim]

exactly, raines is in our starting 18 all day every day, idk but ppl forget that most players who hav a big first year hav a quiet 2nd year, eg. danyle pearce, marc murphy, our own B.Deledio, young star players come out of the blue and get under opposition radars, they then r looked for in the 2nd year and hav to deal wit extra pressure applied by the opposition, they then get used to this and flurish. nobody should be too worried about raines, they should be more concerned about our 5th year players who still arent performing the way we would like.

Except that 2007 was Andrews 4th season.

 

[the claw]

tango fair enough points. i named my said also as way of trying players in different positions.mcguanes kicking is poor but i think if he can take a grab go back and have a set shot with the time he would be okay. the main reason i want mcguane forward is i think he will become redundant down back once we find a chb fb. i also believe in a 3 tall structure both forward and back. a lot of people want polak as a forward he cant kick 30 metres and is abysmal when kicking at goal lets see what mcguane can do up forward.

on deledio does andrew mccloud ring any bells look how devestating he is coming of hb i believe deledio could be just as damaging. if we were serious about deledio his true position should be as a centreman.

patto we will have to disagree to me hes the ruckman you have when you havent a ruckman. he gets smashed in his job description.

as i stated the centre line is young i dont believe its to small. your wingers are essentially run and carry types who have good finishing skills. both edwards and tambling have pace skills and will run and carry. connors is smart and tough the only thing that may stop him playing in the middle is his motor

finally riewoldt. one sentence footy smarts will over come his lack of pace.

 

[SkunkDen]

exactly, raines is in our starting 18 all day every day, idk but ppl forget that most players who hav a big first year hav a quiet 2nd year, eg. danyle pearce, marc murphy, our own B.Deledio, young star players come out of the blue and get under opposition radars, they then r looked for in the 2nd year and hav to deal wit extra pressure applied by the opposition, they then get used to this and flurish. nobody should be too worried about raines, they should be more concerned about our 5th year players who still arent performing the way we would like.

Except that 2007 was Andrews 4th season.

yes, but i will reconsider, he's played under 50 games, thats prob a beta analyisis of where he is at.

 

[Inspector]

King Thursfield McGaune
Raines Polak McMahon
Edwards Coughlan Tambling
Pettifer Richardson Bowden
Brown Riewoldt Deledio
Simmonds Newman Foley
Pattison Johnson Morton Jackson

 

[Mr Brightside]

Im going to have a crack at doing it with a few hoping they improves

BP- King I think has probally become our best small defender option an I hope he can be a purely negative shutdown option when needed,Mc Mahon Im sure will be here somewhere too.
FB -Will has to be our best option an with a few kilo's can hopefully do the job on the heavier players,certainly did a great job on Cloke an Mooney late in the season.
BP-Mcguane for me has to be our best option here as the 3rd tall defender,I very much liked his helping out of his fellow defender an his confidence to take a mark an not just go the punch.

HB-Newman looks very comfortable in his sweeping role an I prefer him away from goal,with a solid backline I think Newy could become extermly attacking.
CHB-Simply has to be Polly or Sarge we need somebody to play this role I just hope TW gives the role to either one an backs him 100%an leaves him there till atleast Rd10
HB-Casserly for us to improve he must come on an be an absolute weapon with his run an carry of half back,no doubt JB will play hb at times too.

Wing-Polo can see him becoming a very good stopper as well as been able to be very productive,will no doubt start in the middle at times too.

Cogs-Welcome back an no mucking around straight in the guts.

Wing-Tambling we need the kid to be a star,like the idea of him an Lids rotating out of the square.

HF-Petts still the best we got in that possie
CHF-Hughes if he could stand up what a difference it would make to our spine,Pato will get a gig here no doubt if Gus stands up as 2nd ruck,Polly will also have a run here Id say
HF-Bowden time to put him forward an create a few goals,not every game but sometimes when a spark is needed,Oh Danny boy PYFFO,Morton is a big chance to start here too

FP-Lids really want to see him play a lot in the middle but think him an Browny can make a very dangerous forward line deep.
FF-Richo
FP-Robin lets keep those legs in good nick for a couple of years plus his just about the most dangerous midsize forward going around.

R-Simo wish I could say he was in a tandem role but Id say he will have to do about 75% in the ruck
RR-Tuck may not be the smoothest mover but more then do's his job an when we get the outsiders doing there's we will be ok.Also think Tucky may play more negative roles this year.
R-Foley Gun

Bench-Jacko or Raines as a tagger,Pato,Connors,Edwards,Sugar,Petersen

FB King-Thursfield-Mcguane

HB Newman-Polak-Casserly

C Polo-Cogs-Tambling

HF Pettifer-Shultz-Bowden/Morton

FF Deledio-Richardson-Brown

R Simo-Tuck-Foley

I Pato,Connors,Edwards,Raines,Jackson,Johnson

 

[tigers#7]

FB: King Thursfield McGuane
HB: Bowden Polak McMahon
C: Connors Foley Newman
HF: Pettifer Richardson Tambling
FF: Edwards Riewoldt Brown
R: Simmonds Cousins Deledio
INT: Pattison Tuck Johnson Raines

EMER: Graham Jackson Polo


Am I dreaming or what? ;D