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Semi Final Threads

TigerForce said:
OK Jack give us your perception as to how a run & carry team like West Coast tires down quicker than a Victorian team who even had to travel within 6 days ??

I'm still bewildered.
Easy, a run and carry team without it's best three runners and deliverers is going to have to work twice as hard as normal, therefore they ran out of gas.
Scum aren't great carriers they are a kick and mark side so still a bit of gas left when needed.
 
Dyer'ere said:
The Hawthorn North game was really enjoyable.

The first half saw surprisingly good skills under pressure for teams that to many appear a little under qualified to execute them. Each team rose to the occasion. It was inspiring stuff.

At first, I was pleased with the way Clarkson had engineered a physical onslaught by his team, which I believe is an outside neat-skills team. (It's a great tactic, if you have a team full of receivers to distract the opposition by pretending to be tough. Sheedy's been doing it for years. Likewise Wallace, his disciple.)

But the Hawks got it horribly wrong. It happens so often when softies pretend to be tough. They think it's about what's seen rather than what is effected. Hawthorn sent all their blokes after one Brent "Boomer" Harvey. He was in a bunch of wrestles off the ball, none of which (well, not many) he initiated.

Rugged stuff and horribly misguided. The umpires noticed this, what with it happening right in front of them and all and took a set against Hawthorn. Whew. That came out of left field. Meanwhile Laidley's boys cleaned up Jordan Lewis twice in the first quarter and once early in the second totally illegally without even drawing a free. And then Lewis slapped somebody. Gawn.

Laidley a cool, aggressive defender coached his team to effective violence while Clarkson, a hot headed showy midget coached his team to the vices that hurt him on the park.

Umpires are part of the conditions. You play them. Will Clarkson learn? He hasn't so far. Laidley always knew.

But I don't reckon that's the interesting issue that was resolved tonight. Not for me anyway. When Schwab had the Hawks playing well way back they were an outside unit fed by a tough inside midfield and a fully structured goal to goal line. They could move the ball. Even when they finished second last.

I was thinking that Clarkson may have replaced the model. Gone with a genuine football model. I'm inclined to think he's missed the boat after this season.

But players like Birchall, Guerra (how bout that shirk?), Ladson, Young and Bateman (a leper who's the best of them) are still in abundance. Crawford couldn't get a touch against Sinclair (Sinclair!) and Hodge, who moved freely, was absolutely flogged by Rawlings. Mitchell, their main man was not up to the crushes North subjected him to and Lewis, largely un-manned was useful at best given his freedom.

Hawthorn might improve again next year, and I reckon they'll beat North next time they meet, but they're nothing to write home about.

North, unlike the soft outside unit they met, are hopeless. We'll flog em next year. They've redefined impostor.

Good post. Saturday night was a game for footy fan who can appreciate a well executed gameplan. I could watch a u12's match if Walls and Blight are commentating. I had two thoughts:

1. the Hawks played like a team with one di*khead too many on their list. They handled the final pressure very poorly, going after Harvey like they did was very amateurish and Crawf's clothesline was a terrible act by a vertran player.
2. both those team are very beatable next year.
 
Geez we've been criticizing the Tigers for poor skills all season, how bad was the skill level in the Hawthorn/North match last night. Very disappointing level for a semi-final in my opinion. As some mentioned a few dodgy frees went Norths way but the many mistakes due to poor skills was the real killer for the Hawks. Looking like a Port/Geelong final. Port look very good at this stage and should be a great final if those two make it.
 
The Kangaroos wre simply better. I thought they were great last night.

Buddy played OK. Missed a couple of opportunities but agree with Claw here, he could be anything.

Roughy on the other hand may well go down as the worst no2 draft pick ever. :thumbdown
 
Tigers of Old said:
The Kangaroos wre simply better. I thought they were great last night.

Buddy played OK. Missed a couple of opportunities but agree with Claw here, he could be anything.

Roughy on the other hand may well go down as the worst no2 draft pick ever. :thumbdown

Don't write Roughy off just yet. Firrito is a pretty good player.
 
Tigers of Old said:
The Kangaroos wre simply better. I thought they were great last night.

Buddy played OK. Missed a couple of opportunities but agree with Claw here, he could be anything.

Roughy on the other hand may well go down as the worst no2 draft pick ever. :thumbdown

I actually dont mind Roughhead but had a shocker last night, could be the next captain after Hodge.

Went to this game and sat on the fence near the umpire race.Hawks played into Kangas last night and tried to be more phyiscal than Kangas and did not play to their strengths. This only allowed them to get frustrated and give away silly free kicks.
Having said that agree with Claw North got some easy free kicks in their forward 50.
North midfield pressure was fantastic and Hawks did not hit target hardly in their forward 50 and kicked a lot to contested situations which is more poor when their strengths are not that.
Franklin was bad yet still kicked 3. Dont think we should really give to Hawks supporters at the moment looking at both teams year and future structures, their supporters though can post on their website though.
Also giving VandenBerg a guard of opinion, I know he meant a lot to the Hawks but from North !!! we should have played North in round 22 so they could give Hall, Knobel and Kingsley a guard of honour.
 
mk33 said:
Also giving VandenBerg a guard of opinion, I know he meant a lot to the Hawks but from North !!! we should have played North in round 22 so they could give Hall, Knobel and Kingsley a guard of honour.

A guard of opinion knighter! Sound like reading the religion and politics threads.
 
TigerMasochist said:
TigerForce said:
OK Jack give us your perception as to how a run & carry team like West Coast tires down quicker than a Victorian team who even had to travel within 6 days ??

I'm still bewildered.
Easy, a run and carry team without it's best three runners and deliverers is going to have to work twice as hard as normal, therefore they ran out of gas.
Scum aren't great carriers they are a kick and mark side so still a bit of gas left when needed.

Sorry, Force. Missed your post. I've got a little glitch i my browser so that when I click on the NEW button it often skips to the space below the newest one. I think it's Mozilla but I don't know.

Lucky The Masochist is carrying me. He's getting sore shoulders but hey, he's a masochist- he loves it. ;D

I agree with TM's take. And Collingwood are crap. :beer