Senior players contracts

[grumpytiger]

First thread guys so go easy on me.....

There's lots of talk from lots of folk (including me) about senior players pushing a losing culture onto our kids, not leading from the front and generally needing the boot. But how many of these guys are contracted past 08? The club isn't exactly rolling in the cash, and i assume we can't afford to pay out too many contracts (especially if wallace doesn't see out the year).

Does anyone know the current status of the contracts of these guys: Bowden, Johnson, Tivendale, Tuck, Richo, Hyde, Brown.

And before I get caned, Richo is my favourite player of all time and Browny's Guts & Determination to get back into the senior side has been remarkable. But they're not going to play in a premiership. They're highly unlikely to even play a final.

Thoughts?

 

[Rod]

Would you be a journo looking for information? ;D
David King made some interesting comments (replayed on Footy Confidential) regarding senior players, in particular Joel Bowden.

 

[gustiger12]

Would you be a journo looking for information? ;D
David King made some interesting comments (replayed on Footy Confidential) regarding senior players, in particular Joel Bowden.

So what did he say Brown eye

 

[Tigerhart04]

Basically that none of the coaching staff are really that interested in trying to train senior players in new positions to make use of the experience etc. Would much prefer to help the kids (I think he mentioned White) to step up to the roles required.

I get the feeling that the tide might be slowly, so ever slowly starting to turn against some of our senior players. Particularly after Archer's comments on Footy Classifieds last night.

 

[grumpytiger]

yes i saw those comments too on footy classified and it actually gave me a bit of hope...i mentioned that in another thread. But it did start me wondering about their contracts.. hence this thread.

a journo looking for info? Nah. I was just another miserable sod sitting in the outer on Sunday.. until i couldn't take the ferals pea-brained abuse anymore that is. I spent the last 10 mins of the game standing near the nando's van waiting for my filth supporting family and friends to leave the ground.

 

[daoula]

First thread guys so go easy on me.....

There's lots of talk from lots of folk (including me) about senior players pushing a losing culture onto our kids, not leading from the front and generally needing the boot. But how many of these guys are contracted past 08? The club isn't exactly rolling in the cash, and i assume we can't afford to pay out too many contracts (especially if wallace doesn't see out the year).

Does anyone know the current status of the contracts of these guys: Bowden, Johnson, Tivendale, Tuck, Richo, Hyde, Brown.

And before I get caned, Richo is my favourite player of all time and Browny's Guts & Determination to get back into the senior side has been remarkable. But they're not going to play in a premiership. They're highly unlikely to even play a final.

Thoughts?

IMO its time to release all but Brown & Richo at seasons end.
Why keep Richo and Brown on...purely for the inspiration and experience they give to the young brigade
Guys do not forget for one minute, what experince and inspiration senior players give to youngsters, anyone here that has played sport at a decent level, will understand.
Ok both are comical and getting on a bit, but stil very capable of winning games on their own (ie Carlton)

As for tive, johno, hyde, bowden, howat, mcguane, they cant get a game at another AFL club so why should they here!! thank you for your service but time to go

 

[Harry]

Does anyone know the current status of the contracts of these guys: Bowden, Johnson, Tivendale, Tuck, Richo, Hyde, Brown.

Luckily we swooped, even before the season started, and re-signed Tucky for a further 2 years. We can all rest assured that Tucky, a future brownlow medalist and so critical to our line up, will be going no-where and we can further enjoy his silky skills and deadly decision making.

 

[grumpytiger]

thanks harry. I'm actually not AS worried about Tuck.. he'd probably be handy to have in the magoos as a back up for when any of our GUN midfielders get injured.

Any idea about the others? i think Richo only has this year, not sure about the rest of them. it's a lot easier to "encourage" someone to retire when they don't have anymore years left on their contracts tho.

gaspar-gate was ugly and i'd prefer it to not become the normal way for senior richmond players to retire!

 

[danwitdaplan]

IMO its time to release all but Brown & Richo at seasons end.
Why keep Richo and Brown on...purely for the inspiration and experience they give to the young brigade
Guys do not forget for one minute, what experince and inspiration senior players give to youngsters, anyone here that has played sport at a decent level, will understand.
Ok both are comical and getting on a bit, but stil very capable of winning games on their own (ie Carlton)

As for tive, johno, hyde, bowden, howat, mcguane, they cant get a game at another AFL club so why should they here!! thank you for your service but time to go

Richo,insipiring? thats right theres nothing more uplifting than seeing a big doofus consistently miss goals a legless blind man could kick.

 

[deledio3]

Why keep Richo and Brown on...purely for the inspiration and experience they give to the young brigade

I guess Brown had a few wins during his time at the Whitten Oval, maybe then we could relay that winning culture.

 

[RedanTiger]

Grumpy (you may have to change that sometime in the future)
One of the problems with contracts and total player payments (TPP) at any club is that they must reach a figure of 92.5% of the salary cap.

The salary cap is around $7 million dollars a year.
So we must pay at least $6.45 to players.

You also now have back-end loaded contracts (and I presume front-end loaded ones which to my mind make more sense) so you get something like Kouta on a million dollars in his last year when he was almost totally broken down.

New players are on a set price each year for their first two years, depending which round they are picked in.
They also get relocation expenses. They are then also paid per match.

Sorry to be so long winded but in essence the whole area of contracts is affected by a lot of other very complicated requirements.

One thing you can be sure of is that a highly paid player being replaced on the list by a rookie creates effects on many other players, in the same way that increasing payments to star players (eg Cats this year and Lions in past years) affects the whole list.

 

[GoodOne]

Richo,insipiring? thats right theres nothing more uplifting than seeing a big doofus consistently miss goals a legless blind man could kick.

Yes as opposed to the countless goals he's kicked marking outside 50 and sweeping around with a 60 metre punt. Wouldn't mind the stats on Richo's accuracy beyyond 45 metres. It's probably why his goal-behind ratio is very similar to most other forwards.

 

[danwitdaplan]

Yes as opposed to the countless goals he's kicked marking outside 50 and sweeping around with a 60 metre punt. Wouldn't mind the stats on Richo's accuracy beyyond 45 metres. It's probably why his goal-behind ratio is very similar to most other forwards.

i wouldnt mind the stats on how many of richos goals are kicked in 'junk time' as opposed to when the game is on the line. im guessing somewhere in the vicinity of 700 to 50 in favour of junk time.

 

[YinnarTiger]

i wouldnt mind the stats on how many of richos goals are kicked in 'junk time' as opposed to when the game is on the line. im guessing somewhere in the vicinity of 700 to 50 in favour of junk time.

That is absolute rubbish. Do some research before coming up with such ridiculous guesses.

 

[Rosy]

Does anyone know the current status of the contracts of these guys: Bowden, Johnson, Tivendale, Tuck, Richo, Hyde, Brown.   

As far as I'm aware grumpy Joel, Tuck, Richo and Hydey are out of contract this year.  Same with Pettifer, Polo and Newmo.  Not sure about Johnno or Tivva and am pretty sure Browny is signed till 2009.

 

[Willo]

As far as I'm aware grumpy Joel, Tuck, Richo and Hydey are out of contract this year. Same with Pettifer, Polo and Newmo. Not sure about Johnno or Tivva and am pretty sure Browny is signed till 2009.

Tuck re-signed for 2 (?) years a few weeks ago Rosy

 

[BrettC]

i wouldnt mind the stats on how many of richos goals are kicked in 'junk time' as opposed to when the game is on the line. im guessing somewhere in the vicinity of 700 to 50 in favour of junk time.

He's done it... actually a few times. The best (alas it was many years ago) was against the Crows and then Brisbane Lions in 1997, kicked the last 2-3 goals to win the game from outside 50.

He's not as bad as hes made out to be, Rocca, Fevola, Q.Lynch have had their moments too, it's just the point blank sprays tend to stand out pretty badly and then its his reaction afterwards.

But kicking goals aside, how many in the team take as many contested marks as him? How many in the team run the whole game like he does and keeps presenting over and over? If the everyone in the team had his desire to win we'd be making finals, only Jake King comes to mind as someone who goes at each week to play as hard as Richo does.