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Shaun Grigg (Merged)
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Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
Saw Grigg interview on the Sunday Footy Show. He's a quiet, unassuming type who still seems to be finding his way at Tigerland.
Hopefully a game like this and the following support of Tiger fans for his game really gives him a sense of belief and belonging and he goes on with it from here.
Saw Grigg interview on the Sunday Footy Show. He's a quiet, unassuming type who still seems to be finding his way at Tigerland.
Hopefully a game like this and the following support of Tiger fans for his game really gives him a sense of belief and belonging and he goes on with it from here.
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
dont use that game as a benchmark - nobody else has had a crack. perhaps 100 point floggins will be the average margin against GC??
I still dnt rate carltank
Tigers of Old said:
dont use that game as a benchmark - nobody else has had a crack. perhaps 100 point floggins will be the average margin against GC??
I still dnt rate carltank
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
CLEARLY prefer grigg to collins, is a more complete player who is more advanced in his developement, and seems to be able to play more positions
CLEARLY prefer grigg to collins, is a more complete player who is more advanced in his developement, and seems to be able to play more positions
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
What a mighty game.
Reckon Shaun deserves the name of this thread to be changed to just his own on the back of his game against the Aints jimbob.
Mind you it is a nice reminder.
What a mighty game.
Reckon Shaun deserves the name of this thread to be changed to just his own on the back of his game against the Aints jimbob.
Mind you it is a nice reminder.
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
Probably right Oldie. Thread probably a misnomer as arguments against the trade were mostly the losing Collins bit rather than getting Grigg bit.
In reality its probably more a Collins V Houli argument if we assume a trade with Carlton would have fallen over and we picked Grigg in the PSD.
At a stretch it might even be a Collins V Helbig argument which is probably more interesting.
Still think 50 and/or Thursty or Mcguane or similar could have done it for us.
Tigers of Old said:
Probably right Oldie. Thread probably a misnomer as arguments against the trade were mostly the losing Collins bit rather than getting Grigg bit.
In reality its probably more a Collins V Houli argument if we assume a trade with Carlton would have fallen over and we picked Grigg in the PSD.
At a stretch it might even be a Collins V Helbig argument which is probably more interesting.
Still think 50 and/or Thursty or Mcguane or similar could have done it for us.
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
Grigg certainly deserves his own thread. When you look at our preseason form and games to date he's been a shining light. And what our targeting of him as a trade shows that we have identified and begun to address the glaring weakness in Richmond's game over the past ten years - nobody runs.
On the trade the lingering complaint seems to be that we paid too much.
We will have expressed interest to Grigg during 2010. IMO probably during the home and away season or maybe earlier. (We know these deals don't usually start in trade week.) If so we have to show the player that we are acting in good faith. Players usually don't go into the PSD because they see it as dogging on their current club. By offering to trade for the player we demonstrate an interest in securing him. We put our money where our mouth is.
So I don't have a problem with this trade.
And remember with trades you are juggling. It's a tough caper. You've got a bunch of deals in the air and if you drop one you can drop the lot.
Just suppose we had forced Grigg into the PSD. Then we might have traded for Houli. Essndon told us to shove the Helbig pick. They wanted the Batchelor pick.
So in effect this trade might have effectively been Houli and Grigg for Batchelor (with us keeping Collins).
As it stands I reckon the trade we did looks pretty good.
Grigg certainly deserves his own thread. When you look at our preseason form and games to date he's been a shining light. And what our targeting of him as a trade shows that we have identified and begun to address the glaring weakness in Richmond's game over the past ten years - nobody runs.
On the trade the lingering complaint seems to be that we paid too much.
We will have expressed interest to Grigg during 2010. IMO probably during the home and away season or maybe earlier. (We know these deals don't usually start in trade week.) If so we have to show the player that we are acting in good faith. Players usually don't go into the PSD because they see it as dogging on their current club. By offering to trade for the player we demonstrate an interest in securing him. We put our money where our mouth is.
So I don't have a problem with this trade.
And remember with trades you are juggling. It's a tough caper. You've got a bunch of deals in the air and if you drop one you can drop the lot.
Just suppose we had forced Grigg into the PSD. Then we might have traded for Houli. Essndon told us to shove the Helbig pick. They wanted the Batchelor pick.
So in effect this trade might have effectively been Houli and Grigg for Batchelor (with us keeping Collins).
As it stands I reckon the trade we did looks pretty good.
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
whats even better about this trade is he wanted to come here winds of change at tigerland this also benefits us for future trades and when the free agency comes in :clap
whats even better about this trade is he wanted to come here winds of change at tigerland this also benefits us for future trades and when the free agency comes in :clap
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
I agree with all that but I think it’s internet myth that Grigg could have been drafted by the Tigers in the PSD. The WCE and Suns had the money, cap room and he would clearly be in their best midfielders.
Carlton also have a pretty good history of not trading players when the offer was not adequate.
Dyer'ere said:
I agree with all that but I think it’s internet myth that Grigg could have been drafted by the Tigers in the PSD. The WCE and Suns had the money, cap room and he would clearly be in their best midfielders.
Carlton also have a pretty good history of not trading players when the offer was not adequate.
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
Reckon if we caved on the trade of pick 30 that Essendon were after for Bacher you could add Craig Cameron to the above list of outs. ;D
Dyer'ere said:
Reckon if we caved on the trade of pick 30 that Essendon were after for Bacher you could add Craig Cameron to the above list of outs. ;D
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
Not so sure about that. At the time was no more than a fringe player at Carlton remember. Typically when those types go in the draft with decent $$$ on there head & importantly with one club they've nominated to go to they just about without fail get there.
Even good players like Luke Ball get looked over by the non-nominated clubs in that scenario.
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Not so sure about that. At the time was no more than a fringe player at Carlton remember. Typically when those types go in the draft with decent $$$ on there head & importantly with one club they've nominated to go to they just about without fail get there.
Even good players like Luke Ball get looked over by the non-nominated clubs in that scenario.
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
At the end of the day Leysy, has Grigg and Houli for PSD1 and Collins been a net gain or loss? We can always speculate on what the best deal could have been, but we can really only look at the end result. I say we made a net gain.
At the end of the day Leysy, has Grigg and Houli for PSD1 and Collins been a net gain or loss? We can always speculate on what the best deal could have been, but we can really only look at the end result. I say we made a net gain.
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
ATM Grigg win, Houli loss Giar.
Leysy expects Collins' production for Carlton to be somewhere in between those two. Grigg we've found his role (inside mid) that he wasnt given at Carlton so expect he'll be a solid pickup. Who's to say who the PSD selection would have been for us.
Saying that Leysy's not a Houli fan though & doesnt expect him to be part of our long term future.
ATM Grigg win, Houli loss Giar.
Leysy expects Collins' production for Carlton to be somewhere in between those two. Grigg we've found his role (inside mid) that he wasnt given at Carlton so expect he'll be a solid pickup. Who's to say who the PSD selection would have been for us.
Saying that Leysy's not a Houli fan though & doesnt expect him to be part of our long term future.
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
Grigg was showing some really strong form at the end of last year for the Blues, his game against Freo in particular in round 22 I would have thought marked his as an ideal for the WCE midfield. He’s young and entering his prime.
Luke was on a big contract, had injury issues and even then the Pies had to give up a reasonable draft pick for him.
I understand you missing Andy, I was a fan too, but I don’t think we could have got Grigg in the PSD.
Leysy Days said:
Grigg was showing some really strong form at the end of last year for the Blues, his game against Freo in particular in round 22 I would have thought marked his as an ideal for the WCE midfield. He’s young and entering his prime.
Luke was on a big contract, had injury issues and even then the Pies had to give up a reasonable draft pick for him.
I understand you missing Andy, I was a fan too, but I don’t think we could have got Grigg in the PSD.
Re: Collins for Grigg (Merged)
Good post Jack.
What those arguing re the price we paid don't seem to understand is that we didn't bend Carlton over a barrel by forcing Grigg into the PSD (if that were possible?) and we dealt with the Blues in a reasonable manner. This maintains a business relationship for future possible trades where by burning the bridge and giving them nothing, we are on the nose not only with the Blues but other clubs will watch and think twice.
The Collins for Grigg trade is a fair one and so far we're in front. You have to give something to get something plus importantly we didn't give up any of our picks.
Houli whether he works out or not is a bonus.
Dyer'ere said:
Good post Jack.
What those arguing re the price we paid don't seem to understand is that we didn't bend Carlton over a barrel by forcing Grigg into the PSD (if that were possible?) and we dealt with the Blues in a reasonable manner. This maintains a business relationship for future possible trades where by burning the bridge and giving them nothing, we are on the nose not only with the Blues but other clubs will watch and think twice.
The Collins for Grigg trade is a fair one and so far we're in front. You have to give something to get something plus importantly we didn't give up any of our picks.
Houli whether he works out or not is a bonus.