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Sheedy on Footy Classified

Tigers of Old said:
I've read Sheed's most recent book. He speaks glowingly of his time at Richmond.
To suggest he still doesn't have the Tigers in his best interests is folly.

In saying that his time as RFC coach has passed.

Yeah exactly Oldie. All this crap about him using the club in negotiations is rubbish. Fact is Essendon gave him his chance as coach and we didn't. Its yet another example of one we let get away.

But there is no doubt that Sheeds still has plenty of Yellow and Black blood in his veins. Can't blame a bloke for getting the best deal possible each time he negotiated his contract. Hell even Sheeds has to eat. ;D
 
Tigers of Old said:
I've read Sheed's most recent book. He speaks glowingly of his time at Richmond.
To suggest he still doesn't have the Tigers in his best interests is folly.

In saying that his time as RFC coach has passed.
Agree Too. Wow, thats a lot of posts.
My vote is Hardwick
 
Tigers of Old said:
I've read Sheed's most recent book. He speaks glowingly of his time at Richmond.
To suggest he still doesn't have the Tigers in his best interests is folly.

I never suggested that.

Seeing that Richmond gave him the opportunity to play league footy and thats what gave him the opportunity to coach his boyhood club, then I would expect only glowing endorsements of Richmond and his time there.

I have said that I don't like Sheedy for the way he continually gave Richmond fans and the club hope of him coming to coach when we in our darkest hours when in reality it was simply a ploy to extend his stay at Essendon.
He played on the heart-strings of Richmond supporters for his own personal whim.

Thats my beef with him.
 
Liverpool said:
I have said that I don't like Sheedy for the way he continually gave Richmond fans and the club hope of him coming to coach when we in our darkest hours when in reality it was simply a ploy to extend his stay at Essendon.
He played on the heart-strings of Richmond supporters for his own personal whim.

How do you know this? I think if the time was right Sheeds would have loved to have coached the Tigers.
 
Liverpool said:
I never suggested that.

Seeing that Richmond gave him the opportunity to play league footy and thats what gave him the opportunity to coach his boyhood club, then I would expect only glowing endorsements of Richmond and his time there.

I have said that I don't like Sheedy for the way he continually gave Richmond fans and the club hope of him coming to coach when we in our darkest hours when in reality it was simply a ploy to extend his stay at Essendon.
He played on the heart-strings of Richmond supporters for his own personal whim.

Thats my beef with him.

You must be a tad gullible Livers, I wore no. 10 on my jumper as a kid not number 4 and not once did I think Sheedy even half considered coming back to Richmond to coach.
 
Interesting how Sheeds has polarised a lot of people.

Doesn't matter who he barracked for as a kid as I've said before.

Essendon gave him his chance to coach as a full on job - not the skills coaching position he had with us. I am not sure he ever milked the situation with the RFC when coming near to out of contract but people can percieve different things. My understanding is that, we went chasing him. His history with us is exemplary (a) as a player - cannot be faulted (b) when still at Essendon - he still did things to assist the RFC at times - save our skins etc - would always attend functions when he could. What more was he expected to do ? During this period he was the full time coach of a rival club ! Tommy H & he regularly get together & have ever since he left - Tom is still glowing in his description of Sheedy (don't ask his opinion of TW).

Did he do a good job at Essendon. Damn right he did. How many people have coached for 27 years straight at an AFL club. Him & Jock McHale at Collingwood I think are the only two. Would Essendon have kept him for so long if they didn't believe that he was worth keeping. Particularly when Essendon guys like Alec Epis were actively attempting to undermine him constantly ? Of course not. Was he perfect & never made mistakes...No.

Is he in the right position with us? I think so! Should he coach ? No.

Does he need to be involved at Richmond - i.e does he need the cash ? Hell no ! He is as crafty off the the field a he was on it. He could sit on his backside & make plenty of cash with an article here & there, continued sportsmans nights & being a part time media commentator.

I think it's a coup to have him at the club & another positive sign that we are getting the right people involved.
 
jimbob said:
Interesting how Sheeds has polarised a lot of people.

Doesn't matter who he barracked for as a kid as I've said before.

Essendon gave him his chance to coach as a full on job - not the skills coaching position he had with us. I am not sure he ever milked the situation with the RFC when coming near to out of contract but people can percieve different things. My understanding is that, we went chasing him. His history with us is exemplary (a) as a player - cannot be faulted (b) when still at Essendon - he still did things to assist the RFC at times - save our skins etc - would always attend functions when he could. What more was he expected to do ? During this period he was the full time coach of a rival club ! Tommy H & he regularly get together & have ever since he left - Tom is still glowing in his description of Sheedy (don't ask his opinion of TW).

Did he do a good job at Essendon. Damn right he did. How many people have coached for 27 years straight at an AFL club. Him & Jock McHale at Collingwood I think are the only two. Would Essendon have kept him for so long if they didn't believe that he was worth keeping. Particularly when Essendon guys like Alec Epis were actively attempting to undermine him constantly ? Of course not. Was he perfect & never made mistakes...No.

Is he in the right position with us? I think so! Should he coach ? No.

Does he need to be involved at Richmond - i.e does he need the cash ? Hell no ! He is as crafty off the the field a he was on it. He could sit on his backside & make plenty of cash with an article here & there, continued sportsmans nights & being a part time media commentator.

I think it's a coup to have him at the club & another positive sign that we are getting the right people involved.

Well said jimbob. Having Sheedy back at the club is a real positive.

Those so dirty on him for blackmailing the club to further his career at Essendon need to take a look at our esteemed assistant coach Campbell's effort a few years ago which cost Knights the captaincy and shortened his career greatly.
 
Liverpool said:
I don't think we "deserve" it as such.
I think because of our situation now for many years we have fallen into the trap of carrying a torch for Sheedy because of his playing days with us and the fact that he was part of our most successful era......so as soon as there was any talk of a coach being sacked at Richmond during the 90s, then obviously there was an immediate link to Sheedy.

And Sheedy played on this.

So I'm not totally blaming him because if his heart is with Essendon then he used Richmond and couldn't care less......it just annoys me when people think he is like some "messiah" for us when in reality, I don't think he cares less one way or the other about us now.
If he did, he would have left Essendon (especially after he had already won 3 flags with them after 1993) and come to help Richmond when we needed him.
He just kept giving us "false hope" and thats what sh!ts me with him....NOT because he came to us or didn't come to us...the fact that he played us (the club and the fans)

I am also blaming Richmond for acting like some jilted lover who just doesn't want to let go......and kept trying to get Sheedy when in reality, Sheedy had no intention of leaving Essendon to come to us.
Richmond should have offered him the job during the 90s and once Sheedy said "no" then never ask him again.
So Richmond were stupid to keep going after him and this may have stopped another good coach from putting their hand up to have a crack with us.

Its good to read posts on here now from people who don't want Sheedy....you included! :fing32

I understand where you are coming from and agree with your views from the club/where we went wrong view point, but that's a conversation that has been done to death and not really on topic so I'll leave that alone.

I just don't agree in holding it against Sheedy personally. As I said it's the cut and thrust of big sports, we are all revisionists when it suits us. Sometimes we are blinded by our passion/loyalty/desires, sometimes convenience. Circumstances change most things, time and people move on and change perspectives/influencing factors at clubs.

I used the term "deserve" because I can't stomach the, we are a once great club, look how badly the AFL (draw etc) and other coaches/players/media holds contempt for us or lack of respect. Respect is earnt. You can only be walked over if you allow it to happen.

We've been a rabble for years and have needed to pull our finger out and stop holding grudges and pointing fingers and get on with the bloody job. More hard yards and less politics. If Sheedy or anyone "used" us that is our fault, not his. Do you think he's been the first? Players (both star players and kids) and their managers do it all the time! What's the difference? How far do you go? Wallace and Malthouse both have checkered pasts and yet when they went to their current clubs were hot property and rest assured Malthouse will be if he goes on the market.

I respect your defence of our club but I just don't think you can afford to be that elitist and more to the point take things so to heart. Being used or disrespected is a two way street if it is allowed to go on.

At the end of the day Sheedy's contributions and respect/love to our club far outshines his shennagins at Essendon is what I am saying in a nutshell. His got credit in the bank with me. :hihi

We are both very much in agreeance about the messiah thing, I was throwing that bone around here with the Cousins thing over the off season. :hihi Sheedy is not the man for us as caretaker or perm coach.
 
I watched the show last night. I can't see how anyone watching the show could think Sheeds isn't committed to the RFC. The coaching bits mentioned here were pretty much brushed aside with Sheeds normal fashion.

Later on in the segment he had a few swipes back at Hutchy when the fool was trying to bury RFC. Sheeds wouldn't take the innuendoes and pretty much put Hutchy back in his place.

The man is a Tiger who bleeds the indigenous flag.
 
Baloo said:
I watched the show last night. I can't see how anyone watching the show could think Sheeds isn't committed to the RFC. The coaching bits mentioned here were pretty much brushed aside with Sheeds normal fashion.

Later on in the segment he had a few swipes back at Hutchy when the fool was trying to bury RFC. Sheeds wouldn't take the innuendoes and pretty much put Hutchy back in his place.

The man is a Tiger who bleeds the indigenous flag.

Loved it when he brushed off Hutchy's question. Hutchy pushes his agendas through his questions and when Sheedy pointed this out Hutchy had nothing.

Could go on about Hutchy but....

Would not be surprised if Sheedy is not that interested in coaching.

He has always liked to stir the pot a little.
 
jimbob said:
Interesting how Sheeds has polarised a lot of people.

Doesn't matter who he barracked for as a kid as I've said before.

Essendon gave him his chance to coach as a full on job - not the skills coaching position he had with us. I am not sure he ever milked the situation with the RFC when coming near to out of contract but people can percieve different things. My understanding is that, we went chasing him. His history with us is exemplary (a) as a player - cannot be faulted (b) when still at Essendon - he still did things to assist the RFC at times - save our skins etc - would always attend functions when he could. What more was he expected to do ? During this period he was the full time coach of a rival club ! Tommy H & he regularly get together & have ever since he left - Tom is still glowing in his description of Sheedy (don't ask his opinion of TW).

Did he do a good job at Essendon. Damn right he did. How many people have coached for 27 years straight at an AFL club. Him & Jock McHale at Collingwood I think are the only two. Would Essendon have kept him for so long if they didn't believe that he was worth keeping. Particularly when Essendon guys like Alec Epis were actively attempting to undermine him constantly ? Of course not. Was he perfect & never made mistakes...No.

Is he in the right position with us? I think so! Should he coach ? No.

Does he need to be involved at Richmond - i.e does he need the cash ? Hell no ! He is as crafty off the the field a he was on it. He could sit on his backside & make plenty of cash with an article here & there, continued sportsmans nights & being a part time media commentator.

I think it's a coup to have him at the club & another positive sign that we are getting the right people involved.

Excellent post jimbob :clap
 
Tigers of Old said:
I've read Sheed's most recent book. He speaks glowingly of his time at Richmond.
To suggest he still doesn't have the Tigers in his best interests is folly.

Liverpool said:
I never suggested that.

Sounds remarkably like it when you said.............

"....if his heart is with Essendon then he used Richmond and couldn't care less.."

".....I don't think he cares less one way or the other about us now....."


Liverpool said:
I have said that I don't like Sheedy for the way he continually gave Richmond fans and the club hope of him coming to coach when we in our darkest hours when in reality it was simply a ploy to extend his stay at Essendon.
He played on the heart-strings of Richmond supporters for his own personal whim.

Thats my beef with him.

OK, but you just have an all over beef with him then, it seems....period. I and others don't think he did, by design anyway, and as you put it, play on the heartstrings of fans........ Much of the speculation was media based, and you've seen first hand how a germ of an idea gets a whole life because of the media (Cousins anyone :help).

Dyer Disciple's first response @10.44am was outstanding on this subject, and carries more authenticity than anything else posted here :clap (and only he knows how much that hurts me to say that on here :hihi )

And as for your throw away line Liver's about it being good to read there are people on here that don't want Sheedy, DD included, DD said this in regards coach or caretaker, not as a person assisting RFC (however you inferred it).

In fact if you do some research I'm betting you'll find supporters wanting Sheedy to coach or caretake are in the minority, as it should be. But don't let that cloud your vehement dislike of a Tiger Legend. Luckily, your Legend status on here is held in greater esteem than you seem willing to afford Kev ;D I hope, some day, you'll just have to let some baggage go when you seem to carry so much :hihi

Come back too the sunny side Livers, we miss you ;D
 
Dyer Disciple said:
I used the term "deserve" because I can't stomach the, we are a once great club, look how badly the AFL (draw etc) and other coaches/players/media holds contempt for us or lack of respect. Respect is earnt. You can only be walked over if you allow it to happen.

We've been a rabble for years and have needed to pull our finger out and stop holding grudges and pointing fingers and get on with the bloody job. More hard yards and less politics. If Sheedy or anyone "used" us that is our fault, not his. Do you think he's been the first? Players (both star players and kids) and their managers do it all the time! What's the difference? How far do you go?

I couldn't have said it better.

I'm a big believer in you create your own destiny. If you don't like where your lot in life or footy is, get off your ass and change it. We've held people over the barrel before I'm sure, and likewise they've done the same to us. Time to suck it up princesses, that's business.

Let's just shut up, and get on with the job of making us a powerhouse again.
 
The_General said:
I couldn't have said it better.

I'm a big believer in you create your own destiny. If you don't like where your lot in life or footy is, get off your ass and change it. We've held people over the barrel before I'm sure, and likewise they've done the same to us. Time to suck it up princesses, that's business.

Let's just shut up, and get on with the job of making us a powerhouse again.

Spoken like a true General, what we need is a Patton to shake the players up a bit.