Should Kane Johnson be Capuanoed?

[Tigermad2005]

Oh my God.
People have been calling for Terry to go for some time and when the players can see no future in Terry you all get up set.
No way should Kane be Capuanoed. He only did what we are all thinking.
Good on him i say.

Terry has known he is gone at the end of the year so why stay?

 

[GoodOne]

Certainly not upset, just passing opinion. We all know Terry's gone, we also know KJs gone. Almost ironic really.

 

[Gunsmoke]

Johnson is virtually out the door himself and now he stands up? What's the point? Has just created more friction. What more could possibly happen down at the Tiger's den? It's not up to the players to question decisions on coaches futures. It creates too much of a conflict of interest.

Maybe Johnson figured he was out the door at the end of the year with Wallace anyway so he should speak up as he was a leader and had less to lose than others on the list. Not sure we can bake anyone on the word of the media this week.

 

[Phar Ace]

I take you point about Kane, but sometimes smart is not everything.

I like a good military analogy. Lets pretend a live hand grenade lands in the trench, a smart guy like Joel Bowden dives for cover and saves himself, a dumber but courageous guy like Kane throws himself on the hand grenade and save his team-mates. When you are in the trenches you want guys like Kane next to you, that’s why we got voted Capitan several times during a really difficult period in the club and Joel never came close despite being a better player and smarter.

Liked Claws obvious answer, but I was going to say........... that all we need to do to beat your military is to keep throwing you hand genades and watch your men (or women ;D) just jump on top - we don;t even have to aim - just get it close and your guys (or girls) will do the rest. And here I'm saying KJ is not the smart one ;D You gotta love self-sacrifice, well once at least

has anybody given thought to the fact fact?, that maybe Kane Johnson and Troy Simmonds are the ones that Newman went to advice for.Reason i say this is of the following.Richo as much as we love him isnt the best person to genrally get advice from (proof of this...?), Bowden great servant of the club but we all know (think) he is selfish.So Newman could really only get advice from Kane , as it was Kane who was appointed by wallace adn i thinnk Simmonds was part of the leadership group under Johnson. (What about his good mate Fevola - couldn;t be worse could it :hihi )The only other leader our club has is Ben Cousins.You can see it on match days how Cuz steps up to Help Newman in revving the boys up.I dont see bowden do it (then you don't watch closely enough mate), or Brown or any other player that has been at the club.The young guys like Lids, Cotch and Foley havent got it in them yet.
So who was Newman supposed to turn to for advice (Fevola! :rofl ), JON,Edwards ect he had to go to the people that have some sort of experince, he couldnt go to Cuz Because he has only been at the club for 5 minutes.
As much as i hate waht has happened maybe K.J gave Newman advice, but maybe Newman went the wrong way about it , (Maybe? ) its called LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES (Yeah KJ has done a bit of that) .Richo and Bowden and the board just pulled him into line.
I think K.J and who ever was involved maybe done the best thing for the club clear the air and let Wallace know that they have the support but they are not happy with his game plan or the way he gose about things. Yeah Wallace could have missed that the last few years in the papers, on the sites, from footy programmes...... Saturday night will be very intresting we either win and rebound or we get pumped worse than round 1

Anything's possible now...............

 

[tiger1966]

Liked Claws obvious answer, but I was going to say........... that all we need to do to beat your military is to keep throwing you hand genades and watch your men (or women ;D) just jump on top - we don;t even have to aim - just get it close and your guys (or girls) will do the rest. And here I'm saying KJ is not the smart one ;D You gotta love self-sacrifice, well once at least

Anything's possible now...............

forgot the fevola and newman are great mates

 

[Ian4]

Agree with the sentiment but if you sack Johnson you would also have to sack Newman. Can't do.

i think there is an argument to replace him as skipper. lets face it... he allegedly asked the coach to step down.

 

[Tiger74]

i think there is an argument to replace him as skipper. lets face it... he allegedly asked the coach to step down.

you'd imagine its impossible for both to remain in their roles....

 

[philipwalsh]

Bloody oath he should, completely lost my respect.

 

[ZeroGame]

Johnson, King & Simmo should be dismissed immediately, I don't care if there are others involved, all three are expendable and it sends a message to the playing list and the football world that dissent will not be tolerated.

Newman should step down as captain but that is enough punishment for being naive and taking the wrong advice. Not a single person in the media or with a grain of common sense believes it is ever the place for a captain to tell the coach to step aside so we cannot have a leader making mistakes like this.

There must be a complete clean sweep of our off field staff at the end of the year also, no excuses.

 

[Liverpool]

If Wallace knows who the players are...he should at least do the right thing by the incoming coach and sack them to the seconds for the rest of his tenure.
Embarass them and let everyone know who they are.

And if these players had any convictions they should volunteer not to play while Terry is coach.

I want 22 players out there who I know are trying to win....not ones who are laying down for their own personal agendas.

 

[Ocker]

Johnson, King & Simmo should be dismissed immediately, I don't care if there are others involved, all three are expendable and it sends a message to the playing list and the football world that dissent will not be tolerated.

Newman should step down as captain but that is enough punishment for being naive and taking the wrong advice. Not a single person in the media or with a grain of common sense believes it is ever the place for a captain to tell the coach to step aside so we cannot have a leader making mistakes like this.

There must be a complete clean sweep of our off field staff at the end of the year also, no excuses.

Totally agree with all points - the club must take complete control of the situation and set a precedent for all.
The board needs to rid the environment of all dissidents AND Wallace has to go NOW also.
Whether Newman was a patsy is still unknown but is besides the point (in the scheme of things).
He cannot remain captain.

The club needs to take drastic action NOW for the greater good of the team.

 

[pahoffm]

It is very interesting reading all these posts.

In history, there were theories on how to settle conflicts.
Niccollo Machiavelli was very good at it in the late 14/ early 1500s.
As a political scientist, Machiavelli emphasises necessary, methodical exercise of brute force punishment-and-reward to preserve the status quo.
"Right" serves as a criteria for acceptable cruel action — it must be decisive: swift, effective, and short-lived.
Macchiavelli is the prototype for the "male" way of handling conflicts like these.

The "female" version of Macchiavelli is Lucretia Borgia. Daughter of the Catholic Rodrigo Borgia, who went on to become Pope Alexander VI. Lucretia lived at the same time as Macchiavelli, and they clearly knew each other. She married who she needed to get to the top. She married 3 times. And poisoned anyone who got in her way.

Of course, Ancient Rome tells us of Livia Drusilla, wife of Rome's first Emporer Augustus.
According to "I. Claudius" (based on the writings of Tacitus) she never hesitated to dispatch anyone who got in the way of her plans, including her husband, her son, various nephews & nieces, & grandchildren, & others.

Maybe that's what being ruthless is.

But it would be nice for everyone to clear the air, put their hands together and get on with the job.

Again, I don't know what faith to put in a newspaper article, I don't know who to believe, how accurate it is, nor who's side it has a bias toward.

But, blood begets blood, murder begets murder.
There must be a better way.

You can put a spin on any of the parties to what happened. One can take Johnson & Newman's side, or Richo & Bowden's side, or Wallace's side.
Or you can put the club first and get on with it.

 

[poppa x]

As a political scientist, Machiavelli emphasises necessary, methodical exercise of brute force punishment-and-reward to preserve the status quo.
"Right" serves as a criteria for acceptable cruel action — it must be decisive: swift, effective, and short-lived.
Macchiavelli is the prototype for the "male" way of handling conflicts like these.

I've finally found a definition of "frontal pressure".

 

[Play Centre]

Ah the Italians, conquerors of Abysinnia. :clap

 

[Massai]

Look we don't know who said to what and whom, its that simple.

All we know is that Newman sought advice from Johnson who was the previous Captain, then Newman went to Wallace with King (god knows why moral support perhaps), spoke to Wallace about the players not being happy, then things went rapidly downhill from there resulting in the shambles on Tuesday by the HUN.

Johnson is a premiership player, one of only two at the club now that we've recruited Cousins. He's captained the side the for bulk of Wallace's tenure at coach and perhaps Johnson thinks that well my time is up here I'm going to retire at season's end, some hard truths need to be said, but that is pure supposition on my part.

Sacking Johnson, forget it, I'd sack a number of other players before him in the first instance for their pathetic performances on the field over a number of years.

Whatever happened happened, how it happened it open to debate and the way it happened was a mess. The only thing I can think of is that Gary March sat everyone down, various issues were discussed openly (I hope) and then everyone went on their collective way. Meanwhile the HUN etc were all queueing up for the one Terry's Been Sacked, plastering it all over the air waves etc without checking the facts before hand and finishing up with egg all over their stupid vulture face's.

If the players have learnt from this and I for one hope they have, well and good, even better if they come out tomorrow night and light up the football field, but somehow given the way Richmond has operated as a club for decades now, I just don't have that confidence in me.

 

[tigertim]

It is very interesting reading all these posts.

In history, there were theories on how to settle conflicts.
Niccollo Machiavelli was very good at it in the late 14/ early 1500s.
As a political scientist, Machiavelli emphasises necessary, methodical exercise of brute force punishment-and-reward to preserve the status quo.
"Right" serves as a criteria for acceptable cruel action — it must be decisive: swift, effective, and short-lived.
Macchiavelli is the prototype for the "male" way of handling conflicts like these.

The "female" version of Macchiavelli is Lucretia Borgia. Daughter of the Catholic Rodrigo Borgia, who went on to become Pope Alexander VI. Lucretia lived at the same time as Macchiavelli, and they clearly knew each other. She married who she needed to get to the top. She married 3 times. And poisoned anyone who got in her way.

Of course, Ancient Rome tells us of Livia Drusilla, wife of Rome's first Emporer Augustus.
According to "I. Claudius" (based on the writings of Tacitus) she never hesitated to dispatch anyone who got in the way of her plans, including her husband, her son, various nephews & nieces, & grandchildren, & others.

Maybe that's what being ruthless is.

But it would be nice for everyone to clear the air, put their hands together and get on with the job.

Again, I don't know what faith to put in a newspaper article, I don't know who to believe, how accurate it is, nor who's side it has a bias toward.

But, blood begets blood, murder begets murder.
There must be a better way.

You can put a spin on any of the parties to what happened. One can take Johnson & Newman's side, or Richo & Bowden's side, or Wallace's side.
Or you can put the club first and get on with it.

Phant, you've done it again!

 

[chislop]

And to add to Phantom's history lesson, Hobbes also stated that peace is merely preparation for the next war. The off season was a time of peace for the RFC, the 2009 H&A season has become a battlefield of egos and miscreants (players and supporters alike).