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*smile* vs Pettifer: trade value
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Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value
As a great man once said, "Tall blokes don't get any shorter" or something to that effect. *smile* stays.
If Petts gets the job done that's fine, but as a small forward he HAS to do the 1percenters he MUST chase, he MUST tackle. Not just try hard but actually keep the ball in the forward line. He MUST give off to a bloke in a better position when he's stuck on the boundary, it's the TEAM thing and TEAMS win flags not individuals. He historically loves to burn off opponents when he has the ball, but some how can't catch them when it goes the other way. That simply is not good enough.
As a great man once said, "Tall blokes don't get any shorter" or something to that effect. *smile* stays.
If Petts gets the job done that's fine, but as a small forward he HAS to do the 1percenters he MUST chase, he MUST tackle. Not just try hard but actually keep the ball in the forward line. He MUST give off to a bloke in a better position when he's stuck on the boundary, it's the TEAM thing and TEAMS win flags not individuals. He historically loves to burn off opponents when he has the ball, but some how can't catch them when it goes the other way. That simply is not good enough.
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value
Honestly can we give Sarge a Consistent go in the forward line to gauge just how good he is?
I have said this many times but i think every forward especially young and up and coming will struggle with Richo in the forward line he is just a machine and dominates the whole forward 50
Sarge has talent and i think his desire is getting better, we are dead last why not try a few things play Richo wing or backline somewhere else other than forward 50 and see whether these young blokes go without the greatman being there, unfortunately he won't be there when we are trying for a flag so why not see about the blokes who potentially could be!!?
Honestly can we give Sarge a Consistent go in the forward line to gauge just how good he is?
I have said this many times but i think every forward especially young and up and coming will struggle with Richo in the forward line he is just a machine and dominates the whole forward 50
Sarge has talent and i think his desire is getting better, we are dead last why not try a few things play Richo wing or backline somewhere else other than forward 50 and see whether these young blokes go without the greatman being there, unfortunately he won't be there when we are trying for a flag so why not see about the blokes who potentially could be!!?
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value
Well lets all thank god you're not in charge then...mb64 said:
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value
in all honesty i cant see anyone offering up a third rounder for old shaky knees. when i compare him to similar types at other clubs i wouldnt offer up two bob for him yet alone an active draft pick.mb64 said:
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value
Easily worth that, even though this hasn't been his best year. If Otto was worth two first rounders, Petts could even be worth a late first or second round pick - depends on the depth of the draft though. As Taraba said, thank god some people never get in charge........the claw said:
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cmon be honest if he was delisted tomorrow he would not be missed. if wallace knows his stuff some of those skinny flanker types should be getting a game next yr that should mean bye bye kane time to get what we can for him. what ever it is it wont be much if anything.pharace said:
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value
Hey martyshire Shultz,
Whilst I believe you should back any player including Jay until the season ends when a good supporter is entitled express opinions regarding trades etc you should leave Petts and others alone until then.
With Petts, according to your reference site he is this year:-
2nd highest goal kicker
8th in the average game ratings
2nd in the SC
5th highest average marks (4 games or more)
11th in average disposals but the highest of the permanent forwards
2nd highest kicks (only Joel heads him and Petts doesn't get the extra kicks of the backmen)
Suggest you check your facts before attacking a player before the season is out.
Then again just stop trashing players mid season. How about positives about Edwards, Lids, Connors (a potential cult player) & others - much rather read the good stuff rather than constant put downs & whinging (not that you were)
A good supporter supports - a Tiger player is family whilst a Tiger player - Family protects family. Of course unless one is a feral supporter and then you eat your own!
Hey martyshire Shultz,
Whilst I believe you should back any player including Jay until the season ends when a good supporter is entitled express opinions regarding trades etc you should leave Petts and others alone until then.
With Petts, according to your reference site he is this year:-
2nd highest goal kicker
8th in the average game ratings
2nd in the SC
5th highest average marks (4 games or more)
11th in average disposals but the highest of the permanent forwards
2nd highest kicks (only Joel heads him and Petts doesn't get the extra kicks of the backmen)
Suggest you check your facts before attacking a player before the season is out.
Then again just stop trashing players mid season. How about positives about Edwards, Lids, Connors (a potential cult player) & others - much rather read the good stuff rather than constant put downs & whinging (not that you were)
A good supporter supports - a Tiger player is family whilst a Tiger player - Family protects family. Of course unless one is a feral supporter and then you eat your own!
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value
Mate, i only joined recently and i see where you are coming from. The hate around here is ridiculous and unfounded. In one sentence they can bag Kane Johnson or Bowden, then in the next - sing the praises of someone like Schulz.
I suggest not letting it get to you. Just be proud that you dont *smile* on your own club. Set the example for more to follow.
Tiger said:
Mate, i only joined recently and i see where you are coming from. The hate around here is ridiculous and unfounded. In one sentence they can bag Kane Johnson or Bowden, then in the next - sing the praises of someone like Schulz.
I suggest not letting it get to you. Just be proud that you dont *smile* on your own club. Set the example for more to follow.
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Tiger, I can appreciate your sentiments, but there are surely other more negative that this one! In fact, it was what I believe was unjustified use of the word 'dud' in other threads (see 'who should come and who should go') that prompted me to stick up for Schultzy in th first place.
I admit that I may have been a bit harsh on Petts but I was just trying to re-address the balance.
As for supporters deferring discussion about trades until THE END of the season; I hadn't realised it was an unwritten rule. :-X I'd be happy to go along with it if everyone else was!!! Until then...
Yep, checked them. They were right. :cheeky. Yours were too, well done! :
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You might remember that the few stats I provided were more flattering of Pettifer than *smile* (except with goal kicking accuracy, in which Petts was worse but he was still the second best in my list). I'm not worried about that.
My main point was that people tend to call people like *smile* a 'dud' or say that he hasn't made an impact or whatever. Given that he appears to have more ability and a better mentality than other players on our list (which in my view includes Petts) then I can only assume that these shallow criticisms are based on over-simplified stats that don't truly say what they are supposed to. For example take, as you have used above, average player ranking. If this reflects, as it is supposed to, how well a player has performed in a given season, then how is Nathan Foley not miles in front of everybody else at Richmond? (he is 4th). And how is Thursty 34th? And this is supposed to be one of the more sophisticate stats in use :-\. Our game is way too complicated for a lot of our stats. Even looking at the number of games a player has been selected to play in a year does not tell you much.
Perhaps I should have left all stats out of my post. A stats-based comparrison of the two was not my intention. I can't find the posts on this page but a couple of people said that it was like comparing apples with oranges. Quite right. But so is the comparison of any two people, any two games or any two disposals. Stats lie. This is why I ask that people base their opintions on what they have SEEN rather than what they have READ
Based on what I have seen, Schultzy is worth more...but other clubs don't know that!
Tiger said:
Tiger, I can appreciate your sentiments, but there are surely other more negative that this one! In fact, it was what I believe was unjustified use of the word 'dud' in other threads (see 'who should come and who should go') that prompted me to stick up for Schultzy in th first place.
I admit that I may have been a bit harsh on Petts but I was just trying to re-address the balance.
As for supporters deferring discussion about trades until THE END of the season; I hadn't realised it was an unwritten rule. :-X I'd be happy to go along with it if everyone else was!!! Until then...
Tiger said:
Yep, checked them. They were right. :cheeky. Yours were too, well done! :
... You might remember that the few stats I provided were more flattering of Pettifer than *smile* (except with goal kicking accuracy, in which Petts was worse but he was still the second best in my list). I'm not worried about that.
My main point was that people tend to call people like *smile* a 'dud' or say that he hasn't made an impact or whatever. Given that he appears to have more ability and a better mentality than other players on our list (which in my view includes Petts) then I can only assume that these shallow criticisms are based on over-simplified stats that don't truly say what they are supposed to. For example take, as you have used above, average player ranking. If this reflects, as it is supposed to, how well a player has performed in a given season, then how is Nathan Foley not miles in front of everybody else at Richmond? (he is 4th). And how is Thursty 34th? And this is supposed to be one of the more sophisticate stats in use :-\. Our game is way too complicated for a lot of our stats. Even looking at the number of games a player has been selected to play in a year does not tell you much.
Perhaps I should have left all stats out of my post. A stats-based comparrison of the two was not my intention. I can't find the posts on this page but a couple of people said that it was like comparing apples with oranges. Quite right. But so is the comparison of any two people, any two games or any two disposals. Stats lie. This is why I ask that people base their opintions on what they have SEEN rather than what they have READ
Based on what I have seen, Schultzy is worth more...but other clubs don't know that!
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value
lmao at the head in the sand brigade.or so called good supporters. a simple motto for all of you. call it as you see it and be honest all the time. if this means i think pettrified is a dud or schulz aint up to it so be it i for one wont be sugar coating things for anyone.if this makes me a bad supporter so be it i reckon im part of a majority.and if it hurts peoples feelings tuff i suggest you lock yourselfs up in a cupboard or something.
lmao at the head in the sand brigade.or so called good supporters. a simple motto for all of you. call it as you see it and be honest all the time. if this means i think pettrified is a dud or schulz aint up to it so be it i for one wont be sugar coating things for anyone.if this makes me a bad supporter so be it i reckon im part of a majority.and if it hurts peoples feelings tuff i suggest you lock yourselfs up in a cupboard or something.
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Suggest you look at the stone cold facts. The players being called duds by the "call you as you see it crowd" are actually having their best or near best seasons. Makes you really wonder what the hell you people are actually watching, because it cant be the RFC games.
the claw said:
Suggest you look at the stone cold facts. The players being called duds by the "call you as you see it crowd" are actually having their best or near best seasons. Makes you really wonder what the hell you people are actually watching, because it cant be the RFC games.
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Well do yourself a favour Claw and get on prostats and do some real comparisons of your own because you really don't make much sense with this statement. I did and found Pettifer compares very well with players like Michael O'Loughlin, Steven Milne, Russel Robertson. He has 4 goals less for the season than Steve Johnson of Geelong, in the worst Richmond team of all time. Who were you comparing him to? Name names Claw???
If we trade him at the end of the year who bobs up and kicks those 35 or so goals next year? Clean knees Cleve?
the claw said:
Well do yourself a favour Claw and get on prostats and do some real comparisons of your own because you really don't make much sense with this statement. I did and found Pettifer compares very well with players like Michael O'Loughlin, Steven Milne, Russel Robertson. He has 4 goals less for the season than Steve Johnson of Geelong, in the worst Richmond team of all time. Who were you comparing him to? Name names Claw???
If we trade him at the end of the year who bobs up and kicks those 35 or so goals next year? Clean knees Cleve?
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I wouldn't have any of them. Robertson in particular is a showboat who's only learned to handball this year. Tiger Brown on form and on the field will kick the goals. Lids will bob up for more and more. As will Axel when he's not concussed.linuscambridge said:
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i did a player comparison on all our players against all other players in the comp and kane ranks very low on my chart.
i dont rely on stats and dont go to them to often they are what you want them to be. trust your eyes look for weaknesses and strengths.linuscambridge said:
i did a player comparison on all our players against all other players in the comp and kane ranks very low on my chart.
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im a joint coach of my sons u15 soccer team does that qualify me. he also plays rugby for his school and fills in at footy for them. would have liked him to be a footballer but soccer is his first choice. hes also a passionate bulldog supporter ive gone wrong in his upbringing somewhere.rosy23 said:
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don't worry about the soccer versus footy choice Clawsy mate because if he loves you, and he's any good and can strike goals - you'll be better set up for retirement if he draws an Arsenel paycheque versus a Richmond paycheque.
artyfest
the claw said:
don't worry about the soccer versus footy choice Clawsy mate because if he loves you, and he's any good and can strike goals - you'll be better set up for retirement if he draws an Arsenel paycheque versus a Richmond paycheque.
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corey jones, brad ebert, ryan okeefe, trav cloke etc all play that hff role much better than what kane has shown
no doubting he kicks his goals but the marking/presenting/workrate parts of it just isnt their imo
linuscambridge said:
corey jones, brad ebert, ryan okeefe, trav cloke etc all play that hff role much better than what kane has shown
no doubting he kicks his goals but the marking/presenting/workrate parts of it just isnt their imo