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*smile* vs Pettifer: trade value

Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value

Pettifer is a poor man's Ryan O'Keefe. He'd still have a bit of value though, unlike most of our list.
 
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mb64 said:
Disco08 said:
Pettifer is a poor man's Ryan O'Keefe. He'd still have a bit of value though, unlike most of our list.
Agree
thats slanderous mb you shouldnt go mentioning kayne in the same breath as a real footballer.
 
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the claw said:
linuscambridge said:
the claw said:
mb64 said:
Harry said:
Pettifer for a third rounder.
I'd take that
in all honesty i cant see anyone offering up a third rounder for old shaky knees. when i compare him to similar types at other clubs i wouldnt offer up two bob for him yet alone an active draft pick.

Well do yourself a favour Claw and get on prostats and do some real comparisons of your own because you really don't make much sense with this statement. I did and found Pettifer compares very well with players like Michael O'Loughlin, Steven Milne, Russel Robertson. He has 4 goals less for the season than Steve Johnson of Geelong, in the worst Richmond team of all time. Who were you comparing him to? Name names Claw???

If we trade him at the end of the year who bobs up and kicks those 35 or so goals next year? Clean knees Cleve?
i dont rely on stats and dont go to them to often they are what you want them to be. trust your eyes look for weaknesses and strengths.
i did a player comparison on all our players against all other players in the comp and kane ranks very low on my chart.
Who ranks high on your chart Claw?
 
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the claw said:
rosy23 said:
the claw said:
i did a player comparison on all our players against all other players in the comp and kane ranks very low on my chart.

Maybe that's why you're posting on a forum rather than coaching an AFL team santa. :rofl
im a joint coach of my sons u15 soccer team does that qualify me. he also plays rugby for his school and fills in at footy for them. would have liked him to be a footballer but soccer is his first choice. hes also a passionate bulldog supporter ive gone wrong in his upbringing somewhere.

Thats almost 3 strikes your out there Claw. ;D
 
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Jason King said:
the claw said:
lmao at the head in the sand brigade.or so called good supporters. a simple motto for all of you. call it as you see it and be honest all the time. if this means i think pettrified is a dud or schulz aint up to it so be it i for one wont be sugar coating things for anyone.if this makes me a bad supporter so be it i reckon im part of a majority.and if it hurts peoples feelings tuff i suggest you lock yourselfs up in a cupboard or something.

Suggest you look at the stone cold facts. The players being called duds by the "call you as you see it crowd" are actually having their best or near best seasons. Makes you really wonder what the hell you people are actually watching, because it cant be the RFC games.

Yeah, that's why we have 2 and a half wins.
 
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mb64 said:
Who ranks high on your chart Claw?
Looking forward to seeing Claw's duds - it's easier to criticise than be criticised............ ;D
 
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the claw said:
rosy23 said:
the claw said:
i did a player comparison on all our players against all other players in the comp and kane ranks very low on my chart.

Maybe that's why you're posting on a forum rather than coaching an AFL team santa. :rofl
im a joint coach of my sons u15 soccer team does that qualify me. he also plays rugby for his school and fills in at footy for them. would have liked him to be a footballer but soccer is his first choice. hes also a passionate bulldog supporter ive gone wrong in his upbringing somewhere.

Joint coach hey clawed one :spin & soccer to boot :rofl Job too big to do on your own :hihi
 
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value

IrockZ said:
corey jones, brad ebert, ryan okeefe, trav cloke etc all play that hff role much better than what kane has shown

no doubting he kicks his goals but the marking/presenting/workrate parts of it just isnt their imo

I will give you O'Keefe, he has been the measuring stick for forward flankers for the last few years.

But Kayne has averaged more possesions than Ebert and Jones, although less goals than both (not very suprising in top 4 sides), suggesting he is working harder up the field, and calling Travis a flanker is a stretch. However Kayne has the same average goals and more possessions than Travis so I would suggest he aint nearly as bad as you and Claw think he is.

I understand neither of you like him, but your predjudice is clouding your ability to make a rational judgement.
 
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Linus you're wasting your breath. Nothing will change some peoples opinions.
 
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value

linuscambridge said:
craig said:
Trade em both they may get us a good second rounder and a Cam White if we throw in a sweetner or do 3 way trades.

For Cam Wood and the likes of a Simpson, Kangars, Millar etc etc i'd do it in a heartbeat.

Proven mediocre performers both of em and Pettifer is soft, has no defensive game at all.

I reckon the Lions or the Saints may go for Pathetifer, and the Crows, Dogs, Demons may be tempted to take Jay.

So mediocre Pettifer is that he has matched Michael O'Loughlin from Sydney for goals this year, he is 4 goals short of Reiwoldt and Steve Johnson in the worst Richmond team in history. I reckon he should get a bloody medal for his efforts.

Probably the best comparison would be with Robertson from Melbourne in what is an almost equally crap team, who has 2 more goals for the season and I don't see him copping much criticism. On top of that Pettifer can push back much better than Robertson who generally plays deep forward and doesn't play the link man as well as Petts.

Far bigger problems on the list than Petts and I think you are all fiddling while Rome burns ;)

So Pettifer has kicked a few goals in our 2 win season, big deal. We all know his difficiencies of being soft, and barely ever a second effort, and I'm glad you mentioned Robertson because he's the same as Pettifer, unaccountable, soft, never gives a second effort when the opposition has the ball, stages for frees all night long, etc etc. Would love to see Pettrified gone before Schulz
 
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If Pettifer put his body on the line just once a game every now and then we might forgive him. Unfortunately he never EVER EVER EVER has!

Whimpy girl of the highest order, we need to get rid of this type of player. Howat your next!


Disgrace to the jumper is he!
 
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value

linuscambridge said:
I will give you O'Keefe, he has been the measuring stick for forward flankers for the last few years.

But Kayne has averaged more possesions than Ebert and Jones, although less goals than both (not very suprising in top 4 sides), suggesting he is working harder up the field, and calling Travis a flanker is a stretch. However Kayne has the same average goals and more possessions than Travis so I would suggest he aint nearly as bad as you and Claw think he is.

I understand neither of you like him, but your predjudice is clouding your ability to make a rational judgement.
Pettifer has performed better once Brown has come back into the side.Pettifer is expendable at the right price.
 
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Geelong are first in tackles.
Richmond are last.

Petiffer is not a team player. He is extremely poor in both tackles and 1%s.
He is a one way footballer who refuses to work hard when he doesn't have the football.

This is why it's laughable to compare him to O'Keefe was busts his balls for his team mates and not only is creative with the footy BUT works hard without it.

Petiffer is part of our problem IMO. He is soft and lazy.
Definately tradeable.
 
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crackertiger said:
If Pettifer put his body on the line just once a game every now and then we might forgive him. Unfortunately he never EVER EVER EVER has!

Whimpy girl of the highest order, we need to get rid of this type of player. Howat your next!


Disgrace to the jumper is he!

Don't agree - he does put his body on the line - but obviously not enough for you Crack. A challenge! Watch the game Sunday and we'll compare notes on how many times you reckon he puts his body in and I will do the same............................

I'm not putting him up as some sort of body player - he's not, but I don't think he's as bad as some people seem to think - he's not Jonothan Brown - he's HFF - not quite O'Keefe (Syd)material but better than a current day Milne... so he's not the worst. ;D

Tradable? You bet - just like 35 others for right deal
 
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Cracker, Oldie and Clawed, please give me 16 HFF you are happy with, one for each club, based on this year's performances. Most clubs have 3-4 they rotate through there, so it shouldn't be too hard to come up with the one you are happiest with........................... If you think a certain club has two u like, drop a club or two of your choosing - but all up 16 HFF that you would call good..........................
 
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Tigers of Old said:
Geelong are first in tackles.
Richmond are last.

Petiffer is not a team player. He is extremely poor in both tackles and 1%s.
He is a one way footballer who refuses to work hard when he doesn't have the football.

This is why it's laughable to compare him to O'Keefe was busts his balls for his team mates and not only is creative with the footy BUT works hard without it.

Petiffer is part of our problem IMO. He is soft and lazy.
Definately tradeable.

More mindless rubbish, do you check out his stats before you assasinate his character?

Pettifer was leading the AFL in goal assists earlier this season, not a team player? Garbage.
 
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I got howled down a couple of weeks ago for daring to have a crack at Petts for his selfishness & the lack of one percenters in his game. In his time at the club, maybe the football dept have been drumming into him about the need to address this, maybe they haven't - the fact is he's been around long enough and his game is still as one dimensional as ever. The same deficiencies remain each year.
He won't take us to where we need to be.
Go thee to the trade table.
 
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linuscambridge said:
More mindless rubbish, do you check out his stats before you assasinate his character?

lol at assassinating his character.
You are pointing out his strengths, I am pointing out his weaknesses of which he has a few.
You seem to want to ignore these when you quote other areas where he does ok.

I thought he had turned the corner last year but this season he's gone backwards and has slipped into some old habits. Like many of his team mates he's been disappointing this season but Kane is of an age now where he really needs to be stamping himself on games. He hasn't done that often at all in 07, hence my belief he is extremely tradeable.

You are entitled to think differently but IMO he is not a team player.
If you think that's garbage well and good but I don't really care. I just want this team to get better.

Petiffer shows little leadership, willingness to do the hard things and rarely stands up when the team is struggling.
He's fundamentally lazy and has admitted as much himself.