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*smile* vs Pettifer: trade value

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GoodOne said:
Pattison is a trier and has done remarkably well this year but the skill factor still remains a big issue, Schulz is not up to it, Hughes has time on his side but still needs to prove himself as does Jack Rewioldt (who I think will make it just on what I have seen so far). I'm particularly worried about our future forward line at this stage.
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Our forward line seemed to go alright without Richo there against West Coast earlier in the year.

I don't think our forward line post Richo is anywhere near as worrying as you suggest.

When he's missing it forces us to look for a whole host of options instead of just one and the blinkers come off.
It's not as if we have been winning heaps of games with him down there and statistically percentage wise we have won more games when he's missing over the course of his career.
Sure he's a champ but there is life after Richardson believe it or not. There has to be.
 
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Tigers of Old said:
Our forward line seemed to go alright without Richo there against West Coast earlier in the year.

I don't think our forward line post Richo is anywhere near as worrying as you suggest.

When he's missing it forces us to look for a whole host of options instead of just one and the blinkers come off.
It's not as if we have been winning heaps of games with him down there and statistically percentage wise we have won more games when he's missing over the course of his career.
Sure he's a champ but there is life after Richardson believe it or not. There has to be.
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I hear what you are saying. I agree the Tigers in the past have been very Richo-centric but to be honest I think that has been basically enforced by lack of alternatives. Richo is not easily replaceable. In that West Coast game you are referring to Richo had 18 possessions and 14 marks before coming off. Statistically you would need to delve a little deeper into knowing who we played for his win/loss ratio but saying that, Aussie Rules is not a one man band. One can only surmise that without a guy who averages 9 marks and 15 possessions a game in the forward line, that we would have done much worse per game than we have.

The pleasing thing last week against Essendon was that we had 13 goal kickers in the game. If we can contiune to get support from other players in this respect then the loss of Richo in a couple of years time may not be such a big issue and the quality of our key forwards not such a big concern.
 
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value

GoodOne said:
I hear what you are saying. I agree the Tigers in the past have been very Richo-centric but to be honest I think that has been basically enforced by lack of alternatives. Richo is not easily replaceable.
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No as an individual player he is not easily replaceable and based on what we have seen from the youngsters none of them are fit to polish his boots yet..

BUT

absence creates opportunity and forces the club to change it up. Of course it's not Richo's fault that we have been incredibly unsuccessful throughout his career but it is what it is just the same. He gives it his all an is a dominating force up front. Players would almost feel compelled to look for him given how good he is.
The bottom line is we are unsuccessful with the structure up forward we have had with Richo as the figurehead.
As I have said before even the great Tony Lockett was traded from St Kilda when he failed to lift them from the bottom of the ladder and their fortunes improved. The same may well happen for us once Richo eventually departs.
I am in no way suggesting Jay Schulz is a better alternative that Matthew so let's get that clear but I would like to see a better fuctioning traditional forward structure at Tigerland than the one we have had for the past decade.
IMO Richo isn't really a FF or a CHF and that has been a big part of the problem. He runs everywhere.
 
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Tigers of Old said:
The bottom line is we are unsuccessful with the structure up forward we have had with Richo as the figurehead.
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I don't agree with this. Our lack of success can't be attributed to Richo as the figurehead. I mean on that basis you'd say Carlton should be without Fevola, Fremantle without Pavlich etc etc. Our lack of success goes much deeper than that and I firmly believe that in the last 10 years, if the Tigers had the midfield and defense required of a top quality team that Richo would have excelled even more and Richo would be one of the top 3 or 4 you would pick over that time as your key forward.

I simply cannot understand why, if I'm a player looking up the field and Richo is leading with three players hanging off him, you cant have the nouse to look for a free player somewhere else. You can see the way Brown plays for example, that he is very good at leading to the correct position to take advantage of this type of situation. We need young tall forwards who have that capability. Richo being around should theoretically make it easier for other talls in the forward line as he tends to attract the best backman and often an extra player or two. We need our players to have confidence in spotting players elsewhere and having the skill to deliver. it's one area where I have seen Deledio sublime in hitting his target. The future looks much rosier from this aspect in my point of view.
 
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Tigers of Old said:
Our forward line seemed to go alright without Richo there against West Coast earlier in the year.
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11 goals for the game including 4 to Tambling in the first quarter doesn't sound like a functioning forward line to me. I'm sure Richie was just sweating on Richo being moved up the ground to find some space to lead into. :cutelaugh

Oldie you are obsessed with Richo being the cause of our forward ills. Keep it up one day you will be right, Richo will eventually retire and the tiges will kick 15 goals and your theory will be proved.
 
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Tigers of Old said:
Bill James said:
Keep it up one day you will be right, Richo will eventually retire and the tiges will kick 25 goals and your theory will be proved.
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2011. ;D
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25!! Sarge will have to kick 10. ;D
 
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can someone recall the two years the big fella struggled or was out of the forwardline / team?

i think it was '95 and '01, hmmm ;)
 
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blx said:
can someone recall the two years the big fella struggled or was out of the forwardline / team?

i think it was '95 and '01, hmmm ;)
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In 1995 from memory that was the midget patrol of Nick Daffy and Chris Naish. Think they kicked 40 odd oeach and then we had about 80 from combined goals from Benny Gale/Stephen Jurica/Stuart Edwards. But the big differnece was made up from midfielders. Knights, Campbell, Broderick, Maxifled all would get 1,2, or 3's to help eas the burden. We don't have that know.

In 2000 with Richo out I seem to think we struggled to kick scores and Matty Rogers or Brad Ottens topped the list.
 
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blx said:
can someone recall the two years the big fella struggled or was out of the forwardline / team?

i think it was '95 and '01, hmmm ;)
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Leysy can bollox,

he took 182 marks (No 1 in league) & kicked 59 goals on 01'.

Your point was?
 
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Leysy Days said:
blx said:
can someone recall the two years the big fella struggled or was out of the forwardline / team?

i think it was '95 and '01, hmmm ;)
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Leysy can bollox,

he took 182 marks (No 1 in league) & kicked 59 goals on 01'.

Your point was?
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That Richo is struggling with Schulz in the side. We have to move Schulz up the ground.
 
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tha8ball said:
Get a decent midfield and all of a sudden ur fwds look a million bucks................... ala the Eagles.
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a decent midfield cant teach richo to kick or anyone else for that matter.
 
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the claw said:
tha8ball said:
Get a decent midfield and all of a sudden ur fwds look a million bucks................... ala the Eagles.
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a decent midfield cant teach richo to kick or anyone else for that matter.
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love your work :rofl
 
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the claw said:
a decent midfield cant teach richo to kick or anyone else for that matter.
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Richo looked a better shot with Knighter and Maxfield delivering the ball laces out in the corridor, not ar*e up in the pockets.
 
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the claw said:
tha8ball said:
Get a decent midfield and all of a sudden ur fwds look a million bucks................... ala the Eagles.
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a decent midfield cant teach richo to kick or anyone else for that matter.
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Dont like Richo either, Claw?
 
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GoodOne said:
That Richo is struggling with Schulz in the side. We have to move Schulz up the ground.
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:hihi
 
Re: schulz vs Pettifer: trade value

GoodOne said:
That Richo is struggling with Schulz in the side. We have to move Schulz up the ground.
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Yep agree - Up the ground into the grandstand out through the turnstyles and onto the train...........
:hihi
 
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