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So.....you wanted the kids...

It sounded towards the end of the game as if the commentator's on Fox were suggesting that the side had actually tanked the match. They calmed down afterwards and maybe I'm reading too much into what they said, but that was how it sounded to me. I suppose we'll get at least one win, but I can't even get worked up about this anymore. I'm so sick of losing. To think we used to be a proud club.
 
Liverpool said:
I don't think its lack of talent.....Lids, Bling, JON, Foley, White, etc....they all have talent, and I don't think we question that.

To suffer a defeat like tonights, is a protest of some kind...it has to be...because no team, with the players we fielded tonight, can be that bad.
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If Mark Williams' theory of a team needing at least 8 "A" graders to be a premiership chance is correct, which of our young blokes look like being guns? THe only one out of the names you mentioned that I would lock in would be Lids, and even he squibbed it once tonight. Foley is a great goer, but he wouldn't knock off the 1st picked midfielder in any other AFL team.

When I look at some of the young talent floating around other clubs like Gibbs, Murphy, Franklin, Higgins, Davey, Ryder, Sherman,C White, Lewis, Pendlebury, Thomas, Selwood etc I just want to spew. We might have had up to a half a dozen of those players had we traded out some players and been a bit worse over the last couple of years.

I don't doubt our players weren't sufficiently motivated tonight, but the way they fought against the odds against the Eagles shows that they do have the capacity to gut it out. I don't really question their character-just thier skill level.
 
rosy23 said:
I want players selected on merit not on age. Give the kids experience but don't exclude more senior players just because of age. Guarantteed selection doesn't do anyone any favours and being flogged by 150 points can't be too good for the kids either.
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I agree!! I said it before, these guys MUST earn there spots otherwise they become Lazy!!
 
To quote from the summary of the game.

Geelong's total fell just 17 points short of the highest score in league history, when the Cats of 1992 kicked 37.17 (239) against Brisbane.

So which team from 1992 went on to greater glory?

Was it the pussies after kicking 37.17 (239), or was it Brisbane?

If we have to go thru' lickings like that to get to where we need to be, amen.
 
Phantom said:
To quote from the summary of the game.

Geelong's total fell just 17 points short of the highest score in league history, when the Cats of 1992 kicked 37.17 (239) against Brisbane.

So which team from 1992 went on to greater glory?

Was it the pussies after kicking 37.17 (239), or was it Brisbane?

If we have to go thru' lickings like that to get to where we need to be, amen.
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Dont know if this is example of why we must take thrashings to be good.
Brisbane didnt wina flag for 9 years after that match.
Geelong had 3 attempts in the next 4 years.
I would take the Geelong model not the Brisbane 92 model.
 
At the beginning of the Carey era at North they copped some fearful hidings too. Essendon....the list goes on.
 
Humble Pie

Each week there are calls for Krak, Tiva, Gas and Pets to be dropped. Constantly wanting KIDS to be brought into the side.... Ppl saying 'at least' they'll put up a fight..... Where was that fight? DO theses boys want a AFL career? not many of them seemed to give a fat rats out there!
 
Reading through all these posts, with a heavy heart, I get the impression we are all looking for answers to our malaise, and are falling back to the past to justify our flogging.

The simple answer is we just don't have the talented players. For whatever reason, I just don't know. Some of the players mentioned in this thread seemed to have the goods to be brilliant players for us, but have not produced. If that is a lack of coaching skills, or they are not as good as we thought they would be....who knows. To me, coaching is more than coaching the team on a match day. It is the development of attributes and skill level in all players be they young or older. In any sport you are never too old to learn. As for the players we lost like Fiora and Rodan, maybe they are being coached better, hence the improvement. Then again, it is easier to be a good player in a good side.

For what it is worth, these are my thoughts for the day.
 
In relation to youth policy Terry went from dipping his toe in the water in his first year to going in ankle deep last year to yesterday wading in to his midriff. Interestingly he was bitten clean off at the neck leaving his head bobbing around in the water.

This is not a bad thing. Nothing ventured, nothing learned. You need to take the higher risks to understand where you are at - even if it means been humiliated at times. I don't think anyone would have predicted yesterday except the most pessimistic of people. Irrespective of my optimism here it was outright embarrassing.

Now with all the supporter and media frenzy Wallace will need to keep a steady head (after it is sown back on his neck) and take this in stride, take the learning’s from it and continue to implement his plan. Like his namesake William Wallace in the movie Braveheart - when the cavalry of the might of the English army, heavily armed horsemen bearing down at pace on William's meagrely armed and slap-shod army crouching at a standstill. William had a plan at this stage, to raised tall sharpened wooden spears as the horses ran over the top of his army - however a moment of panic could have caused his army to flee and they would have been cut down in the process - William maintained his compsure - even when all looked lost to an outsider - and called 'HOLD!', 'HOLD!' and only when the English were on top of them did Wallace say 'NOW' and the spears were raised penetrating and maiming the horses and William's army pounced on the unsuspecting riders killing and defeating them.

For our 'Wallace' a steady head is what is needed here in the face of serious adversity - he will stick to his strategic plan after feeding in the learnings from yesterday. Anything else and we will take a serious backward step in the progress that has been made in 2 years. We are better than our showing yesterday, much, much better.
 
As predicted.....

"For those of you totally sucked in to this "youth policy" howardesque spin, watch us lose games very heavily for the next two years. It is going to be a very very hard road indeed, with lots of pain and jibes from opposition club supporters.
It is absolutely senseless having an unbalanced team. TW will have to get the team balanced and playing as a unit. Is he proven in the ecosysytem he is making?, only time will tell."

Mr Wallace - your time is now. Question: At what time do you think the players will have their respect back for you?
 
cagedtiger said:
For our 'Wallace' a steady head is what is needed here in the face of serious adversity - he will stick to his strategic plan after feeding in the learings from yesterday. Anything else and we will take a serious backward step in the progress that has been made in 2 years. We are better than our showing yesterday, much, much better.
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We have to realise that this is basically Wallace's career we're talking about as well as the club, he won't get another coaching job if we go down in flames. Yes he'll be able to get media jobs but its not his passion.
 
IanG said:
cagedtiger said:
For our 'Wallace' a steady head is what is needed here in the face of serious adversity - he will stick to his strategic plan after feeding in the learings from yesterday. Anything else and we will take a serious backward step in the progress that has been made in 2 years. We are better than our showing yesterday, much, much better.
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We have to realise that this is basically Wallace's career we're talking about as well as the club, he won't get another coaching job if we go down in flames. Yes he'll be able to get media jobs but its not his passion.
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yeah that will be fun; spud wallace and walls calling richmond games together while we get slaughtered by umpires coached by gieschen.
 
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