speed = groin injuries?

[tigers4life]

both Tambling and JON are said to be the 2 quickest players in the team.. is it coincidence they both suffer from groin injuries? and why can we not get these two right to see their full potential... i know JON has not even had the opportunity to play a senior game but you would think their training regime would aim to minimise injuries.. can we fix these groin complaints? i just wanna see 2 players with apparently a lot of potential to work at their best!

 

[RROFO]

both Tambling and JON are said to be the 2 quickest players in the team.. is it coincidence they both suffer from groin injuries? and why can we not get these two right to see their full potential... i know JON has not even had the opportunity to play a senior game but you would think their training regime would aim to minimise injuries.. can we fix these groin complaints? i just wanna see 2 players with apparently a lot of potential to work at their best!

Would probably have a fair bit to do with the fact they're not 20 yet and their bodies are not used full on AFL training. They need a good year or two just to get used to the stresses.

Probably a good reason why not to play all the kids too early and let them develop slowly at a gentle pace. Thank god Terry kept all those mature age duds. Of course if we had played all the kids last year we'd have a new premiership cup in the cabnet. Just like the Hawks. We've got soo much to gain by playing the kids really early and getting rid of all our older players. That'll sort our the duds from the champs.

Sorry, got swept up in a rant, i'll get back in my box now. :frustration

PS. I wasn't having a go at your post tigers4life, it just got in the way of a bit of sarcasm

 

[craig]

Yep simple answer is lightly framed developing bodies that by natural design are not yet capable of coping with such an amount of for high impact, explosive, hard hitting contact training and rigour.
Only problem is scar tissue formation which never heals 100%, ala chronic hammies and calves ect.
The boys require close management as they develop into bigger stronger men, as well as considerable management as they age if such injuries become a problem.
The growth of the pelvis in males is often an issue as the male pelvis does not tilt fwd on an angle unlike that of the female thus exerting a more stable less flexible degree of muscle and ligamental load than with females.
Thus can exert extra loading and pressure upon the ligaments and muscles in the lower back, hips and groins, primarily abdo, and adductor muscles, with hip flexors to a much lesser extent in the growing underdeveloped male, which is not an issue unless undertaking such physical strains and stressors as is the case at AFL level.

 

[Skills]

Yep simple answer is lightly framed developing bodies that by natural design are not yet capable of coping with such an amount of  for high impact, explosive,  hard hitting contact training and rigour.
Only problem is scar tissue formation which never heals 100%, ala chronic hammies and calves ect.
The boys require close management as they develop into bigger stronger men, as well as considerable management as they age if such injuries become a problem.
The growth of the pelvis in males is often an issue as the male pelvis does not tilt fwd on an angle unlike that of the female thus exerting a more stable less flexible degree of muscle and ligamental load than with females.
Thus can exert extra loading and pressure upon the ligaments and muscles in the lower back, hips and groins, primarily abdo,  and adductor muscles, with hip flexors to a much lesser extent in the growing underdeveloped male, which is not an issue unless undertaking such physical strains and stressors as is the case at AFL level.

Craig, now that you have set a standard with informative writing skills, it would be a great shame to revert back to your previous level. I'm surprised you didn't mention the groin acts like a "dud" muscle when fatigue sets in both the calfs & hamstring !

 

[craig]

Yep simple answer is lightly framed developing bodies that by natural design are not yet capable of coping with such an amount of  for high impact, explosive,  hard hitting contact training and rigour.
Only problem is scar tissue formation which never heals 100%, ala chronic hammies and calves ect.
The boys require close management as they develop into bigger stronger men, as well as considerable management as they age if such injuries become a problem.
The growth of the pelvis in males is often an issue as the male pelvis does not tilt fwd on an angle unlike that of the female thus exerting a more stable less flexible degree of muscle and ligamental load than with females.
Thus can exert extra loading and pressure upon the ligaments and muscles in the lower back, hips and groins, primarily abdo,  and adductor muscles, with hip flexors to a much lesser extent in the growing underdeveloped male, which is not an issue unless undertaking such physical strains and stressors as is the case at AFL level.

Craig, now that you have set a standard with informative writing skills, it would be a great shame to revert back to your previous level. I'm surprised you didn't mention the groin acts like a "dud" muscle when fatigue sets in both the calfs & hamstring !

Well interesting you mention that Skillful one , your diagnosis is spot on, Dud Muscles :hihi :hihi :hihi :hihi :hihi

You know i hate letting my PRE bretheren down, how silly of me for pretending to be normal hahahahaha, now back to the dark room for me 8)

 

[RROFO]

Yep simple answer is lightly framed developing bodies that by natural design are not yet capable of coping with such an amount of for high impact, explosive, hard hitting contact training and rigour.
Only problem is scar tissue formation which never heals 100%, ala chronic hammies and calves ect.
The boys require close management as they develop into bigger stronger men, as well as considerable management as they age if such injuries become a problem.
The growth of the pelvis in males is often an issue as the male pelvis does not tilt fwd on an angle unlike that of the female thus exerting a more stable less flexible degree of muscle and ligamental load than with females.
Thus can exert extra loading and pressure upon the ligaments and muscles in the lower back, hips and groins, primarily abdo, and adductor muscles, with hip flexors to a much lesser extent in the growing underdeveloped male, which is not an issue unless undertaking such physical strains and stressors as is the case at AFL level.

He he!! Sometimes I think there must be two of you craig I've been reading PRE for quite a while now and there are times when I think to myself, "gee that craig guy really makes sense", and then, in the next post I am wondering "What the hell is this guy on about?"

Scar tissue can be a worry so I suppose the next year or two are really important in someone like Tambo's development. I reckon he is a real talent but it would be such a shame if he couldn't make the most of it because he can't get his damn hamstrings right. JON too. If these two fire in a couple of years I think we are in for some real excitement. Was looking at the couple of clips of KB on TigerTV. Gees that guy could play. You forget so quickly and get sidetraked by his bitterness until that's all you see. I think we have a couple of guys who could end up just as exciting.

Looked at the clip from the 80's GF. Raines and Cloke leaving really ripped the heart out of the club. I remember it so well, couldn't believe it. Damn Collingwood. At least the only Premierships they won was with us. Still damn angry (mad now i'll tell ya!).

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

Yep simple answer is lightly framed developing bodies that by natural design are not yet capable of coping with such an amount of  for high impact, explosive,  hard hitting contact training and rigour.
Only problem is scar tissue formation which never heals 100%, ala chronic hammies and calves ect.
The boys require close management as they develop into bigger stronger men, as well as considerable management as they age if such injuries become a problem.
The growth of the pelvis in males is often an issue as the male pelvis does not tilt fwd on an angle unlike that of the female thus exerting a more stable less flexible degree of muscle and ligamental load than with females.
Thus can exert extra loading and pressure upon the ligaments and muscles in the lower back, hips and groins, primarily abdo,  and adductor muscles, with hip flexors to a much lesser extent in the growing underdeveloped male, which is not an issue unless undertaking such physical strains and stressors as is the case at AFL level.

Craig, now that you have set a standard with informative writing skills, it would be a great shame to revert back to your previous level. I'm surprised you didn't mention the groin acts like a "dud" muscle when fatigue sets in both the calfs & hamstring !

What he said.

I looked at the National Drug and Alcohol Centre's web site but there was no link there between groin injuries and amphetamine use.

 

[billyb#40]

step back a little and fall in love (again) with the tigers
there are a lot of great players that have become bitter as they have dropped out of the game
Francis Bourke said as he retired that footy is an emotional game
so lets not make hasty judgements about former or current players and just enjoy how good some of our teams and players have been on the ground, who cares what has happened off it

 

[RROFO]

step back a little and fall in love (again) with the tigers

Never fell out of love.

there are a lot of great players that have become bitter as they have dropped out of the game
Francis Bourke said as he retired that footy is an emotional game
so lets not make hasty judgements about former or current players and just enjoy how good some of our teams and players have been on the ground, who cares what has happened off it

You are so right. Suppose that is what I am trying to say. Being the emotional game that it is it is hard to watch something that brought you so much pleasure as a kid hemorrhage like the RFC has for the past 26 years.

I think I may pop on my back to back premiership tapes in and spend some time remembering those players.

 

[Tubytiger]

Yep simple answer is lightly framed developing bodies that by natural design are not yet capable of coping with such an amount of  for high impact, explosive,  hard hitting contact training and rigour.
Only problem is scar tissue formation which never heals 100%, ala chronic hammies and calves ect.
The boys require close management as they develop into bigger stronger men, as well as considerable management as they age if such injuries become a problem.
The growth of the pelvis in males is often an issue as the male pelvis does not tilt fwd on an angle unlike that of the female thus exerting a more stable less flexible degree of muscle and ligamental load than with females.
Thus can exert extra loading and pressure upon the ligaments and muscles in the lower back, hips and groins, primarily abdo,  and adductor muscles, with hip flexors to a much lesser extent in the growing underdeveloped male, which is not an issue unless undertaking such physical strains and stressors as is the case at AFL level.

Gee, this must go close to blowing Claws idea of playing a heap of young guys now right out of the water... :hihi :hihi

 

[craig]

No doesnt blow Claws theory. All players are susceptible to these injuries, its a wear and tear thing. Younger players can justbe affaected alittle more by it thats all. As long as the kids are managed properly there should be no dramas.

 

[feisty tige]

step back a little and fall in love (again) with the tigers
there are a lot of great players that have become bitter as they have dropped out of the game
Francis Bourke said as he retired that footy is an emotional game
so lets not make hasty judgements about former or current players and just enjoy how good some of our teams and players have been on the ground, who cares what has happened off it

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It is a shame about Tambling and JON, but I hope they take it easy as such to get themselves right for their futures.

 

[RROFO]

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Sorry feisty, he posted that in answer to one of my posts further up where I went WAY off topic. I'll try to stick to the subject from now on.

 

[feisty tige]

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Sorry feisty, he posted that in answer to one of my posts further up where I went WAY off topic. I'll try to stick to the subject from now on. 

I see, no need to be sorry!

 

[Rosy]

I wish JON and TAMBO a quick return to their best but there is emperical evidence that the young guys, not just the fast ones, from outside the TAC CUP, are the players predominantly having groin problems or OP.

Footy Vic and the AIS did some research into OP a few years ago and I believe that they have instructed the TAC CUP teams to modify their training programs and player workloads to ease the strain on the young guys groins.

Vic kids do not play as much footy at  16, 17 and 18 years of age as the guys from other states. Workload was one of the factors identified in bringing on OP in young men.

The other leagues and associations around Australia need to follow suit and allow their young guns to develop free from the pressure of trying to prove that they are better than the VICs.

The interstate players are fantastic.  If their leagues can develop them properly, with due regard to OP, then guys like Tambo, Casserley and JON would have far greater chances of playing better footy because they will not restrictive physical development injuries hampering their introduction into AFL.

Very interesting post Rimau. All other things being equal it might be better to opt for a Vic kid ahead of an interstater. People worry about the home-sickness factor but there might be a lot more relevance in the soft tissue injury factor. Seems like something worthy of more extensive research.