I think a few are being too harsh on the Saints. Missing a few, but their biggest problem is they have a dud coach. Would be in a far better position if Terry, Rocket, Matthews etc was coaching them.
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St Kilda are over-rated
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Injuries are an excuse are they??
Adelaide currently out:
Jason Porplyzia (knee) test
Luke Jericho (shoulder) 1 week
Scott Welsh (quadricep) 1 week
Matthew Clarke (Achilles/ankle) 1 week
Ian Perrie (knee) 4 weeks
Richard Douglas (knee) 4 weeks
Nathan Bock (back) 4 weeks
Darren Pfeiffer (back) 4 weeks
Ben Hart (broken arm) 5 weeks
Nathan van Berlo (collarbone) 8 weeks
Ben Hudson (knee) TBC
....whats their excuse for being so good??
Adelaide currently out:
Jason Porplyzia (knee) test
Luke Jericho (shoulder) 1 week
Scott Welsh (quadricep) 1 week
Matthew Clarke (Achilles/ankle) 1 week
Ian Perrie (knee) 4 weeks
Richard Douglas (knee) 4 weeks
Nathan Bock (back) 4 weeks
Darren Pfeiffer (back) 4 weeks
Ben Hart (broken arm) 5 weeks
Nathan van Berlo (collarbone) 8 weeks
Ben Hudson (knee) TBC
....whats their excuse for being so good??
Sooner they get rid of Thomas the better off they will be.A workmate who is a mad saints supporter is hoping they lose every game just to get rid of Thomas.
DirtyDogTiger said:
another one for the journos board but it's on topic so here it is
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/06/16/1149964742874.html
Teams in bottom half now behind the eight ball
Lyall Johnson
June 17, 2006
TAKE A good look at the top eight. Like what you see?
Well, it's too bad if you don't, because history shows — at least over the past 12 years — that who you see there now is pretty much who will be contesting the finals come September.
An analysis of the ladders over the past 12 seasons shows that in eight of those years, only one team in the eight halfway through the season missed out on the final eight and in only three years have two teams changed. (In 2002, there was status quo.)
The ladders show, probably to no one's surprise, that the top two teams always make the finals. So mark in West Coast and Adelaide. The worst finish by a top-two team at halfway was by Melbourne, who last year finished seventh at the end of the home-and-away season and eighth after a poor finals series.
Only twice in 12 years has a top-four team missed out on the finals. That was Collingwood in 1997, when it crashed from fourth to 10th, and Richmond in 2000, when it went from fourth to ninth. Notwithstanding that, expect Collingwood and Sydney to make the finals in 2006.
Not that being in the top four now will book a team a spot in the grand final. Only twice have teams in the top four at halfway played off in the premiership against each other. Yet in nine of the 12 years, the grand final has been contested by teams in the top four at the end of the home-and-away rounds.
For the teams not in the top four, there are telling statistics.
Ten grand finalists over that period have not been from the top four at halfway, while four of them — Adelaide, the Brisbane Lions, Port Adelaide and Sydney — were not only in the grand final but won the flag. Only two teams with seven wins have missed out.
Having only six wins at this stage of the season has meant a team has a good chance of making the final eight. In fact, 27 teams have had only six wins at the halfway mark and made the finals, while only 11 teams have dropped out having had the same.
Of the eight teams that have made finals with five wins, Adelaide is the most notable, coming from 10th in 1998 to finish fifth after the home-and-away games, then winning the flag. Six teams have made finals after only four wins at the halfway mark.
Having wins on the board early does a lot to set a side up to make the finals.
"Talking from experience, in 2001, we had early-season wins and in the end that helped us make the finals because we were pretty poor for the second half of the year. We only won five out of the next 11," former Hawthorn coach Peter Schwab said. "And then in 2003, I think we won eight of the last 11 and didn't get in. We were only four wins at round 11. You'd have to think if we won the first eight out of 11, you would have thought we'd be home.
"It just gives you a bit of a buffer, a bit of a break in case you hit the wall. And as history says, if you are in the eight, you more often than not don't drop out."
In the past five years, only one team has dropped out in four of those years, while in 2002, the top eight remained the same.
DirtyDogTiger said:
see?
this isn't the right time to be in the top 4
Richmond have got it right
Adelaide, WCE, Collingwood and Sydney probably won't play in the grand final according to the statistic trends.
rosy23 said:LeeToRainesToRoach said:
People here have used the Saints as an example to justify us bottoming out for draft picksin the past. They were rock bottom for a while and collected an impressive enough nursery from the picks but where has it got them? Not much further advanced than us, and we're improving all the time. There's more to success than draft picks. Reminds me of the hare and the tortoise.
TO: Hawthorn Football Club and supporters
FROM: Tigerforce
Just read this and learn !! :hihi
I reckon their most valuable player is Lenny Hayes. Ball, when right (historically) has given them a lot of drive in the early part of the game but it's Hayes who does most of the work.
He is very strong. A machine. And there are few, if any, in the league who can go head to head with him. Who's going to take his place?
An ailing Ball? Only a bit less likely than a fit Ball. Ball is lightweight support.
Nick DalSanto? :rofl
Goddard, well he'll do for now. He would need to go up several notches.
Because they have to play Baker back (they have recruited small backs really poorly) that leaves Robert Harvey still to carry too big a burden in the midfield. He's their #4 and he's 35yo and injured.
Hammil used to pinch hit in shock ruck-rover roles but he goes to the races on the weekend. These days they often use Riewoldt around the packs but he's no Hammil there.
Young McQualter will get a chance he will probably never be a Hayes.
Their Premiership chance went with Hayes. :wave
He is very strong. A machine. And there are few, if any, in the league who can go head to head with him. Who's going to take his place?
An ailing Ball? Only a bit less likely than a fit Ball. Ball is lightweight support.
Nick DalSanto? :rofl
Goddard, well he'll do for now. He would need to go up several notches.
Because they have to play Baker back (they have recruited small backs really poorly) that leaves Robert Harvey still to carry too big a burden in the midfield. He's their #4 and he's 35yo and injured.
Hammil used to pinch hit in shock ruck-rover roles but he goes to the races on the weekend. These days they often use Riewoldt around the packs but he's no Hammil there.
Young McQualter will get a chance he will probably never be a Hayes.
Their Premiership chance went with Hayes. :wave
Hayes or no Hayes(great player), they haven't looked like contenders all year Jack.Dyer'ere said:
Their defence looks slow particularly. Peckett?
Their Premiership chance went with Aussie Jones IMO. He's the pacy small back they're missing that you are alluding to. They're missing his drive off half back.
Tigers of Old said:Hayes or no Hayes(great player), they haven't looked like contenders all year Jack.Dyer'ere said:
Their defence looks slow particularly. Peckett?
Their Premiership chance went with Aussie Jones IMO. He's the pacy small back they're missing that you are alluding to. They're missing his drive off half back.
Good sides often look like *smile* in the phoney season (rounds 1-5) and warm up from there.
StKilda has had, in recent years a defective backline. Hudghton can beat his man, Maquire zones off and Jones was their only small back.
Peckett is on the pension but he's still getting a senior game because they have not recruited small backs. Leight Fisher might be a good'un one day but he's missed two years with injury.
Jason Gram is a pansy and a dud. Xavier Clarke isn't that good. Raph Clarke hasn't come on. Brett Voss has always been an imposter.
Their midfield, in spite of some choice selections has not been supplemented. too much is left to too few.
Their forward line has been hamstrung as Riewoldt and Gehrig have been hampered by injury. Milne has been sorted out and Hamill is doing the form in preparation for the weekend. They used to have a strong four man forward line. Now they have an injured two man forward line.
They miss Koschitzke but should never have banked on him. He's a twig and a regular race-goer.
Cain Ackland has taken mediocrity to new heights or depths depending on your POV and Barry Brooks hurt em real bad. Someone should get the arse over that. Maybe they already did.
StKilda has always had a crook backline. It was flattered bcause the ball was up the other end. Now they've got a crook forward line, no ruck division and a ho-hum midfield.
Peckett would have been out of a side with a good backline three years ago. This club has recruited very poorly. Don't listen to the hype.
