Stats questions...Calling Fudge?

[Rosy]

Tambo and Cousins seem to be leading PRE's votes for yesterday's game. I wasn't at the ground so don't feel in any position to comment but both show some very ordinary looking stats. Richie 48% disposal efficiency and 6 clangers and Ben 54% disposal efficiency and 5 clangers.

2 questions for anyone who knows- How is disposal efficiency actually measured and are clangers included in disposal effiency?

 

[Disco08]

Clangers are included as non-effective disposals, but so are frees against. Why they lump frees against in with turnovers I'll never know.

 

[Streak]

Regarding Cuz, he got a lot of it but I didn't think he was his normal self, and I gave my 3 to King. Cuz's opponent was Kieran JAck wasn't he, and Jack actually had a very good game for a run with player.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Regarding Cuz, he got a lot of it but I didn't think he was his normal self, and I gave my 3 to King. Cuz's opponent was Kieran JAck wasn't he, and Jack actually had a very good game for a run with player.

Watching it live, because Jack kicked two goals I thought he beat Cuz one on one

 

[TOT70]

Tambo and Cousins seem to be leading PRE's votes for yesterday's game. I wasn't at the ground so don't feel in any position to comment but both show some very ordinary looking stats. Richie 48% disposal efficiency and 6 clangers and Ben 54% disposal efficiency and 5 clangers.

2 questions for anyone who knows- How is disposal efficiency actually measured and are clangers included in disposal effiency?

Can't say that I know exactly how they define an effective kick but there are a couple of things which distort kicking efficiency.

The first is short kicks to an unmanned player. The old sideways 20m pass to someone who marks it and kicks it back. That's an efficient kick. Some pretty ineffective players have high efficiency rates as a result of this.

Another distortion is a long kick to a leading forward who is subsequently spoiled or just fluffs the mark. That’s an inefficient kick. In my view, the kicking player has gained 50 metres for his club, has placed the ball in a dangerous place and hit his target. It is the other bloke who has failed to complete the deal. It looks like a good kick to me.

Last week Jordan McMahon had a very low efficiency rating due to kicking long to a one-on-one contest on several occasions, there was nothing wrong with his kicking, it was the efforts made by others that let him down. I seem to recall Pattison dropping a sitter at one stage and Reivoldt and Morton being spoiled on a couple more.

It’s a pretty unreliable tool for measuring a player’s impact on a game.

 

[Mr Brightside]

These stats have me roo ted Lids had a Dareren Crocker yesterday and scored 114 points and then he plays a blinder for less points.......seems to me if you put the ball out in front of player for him too run onto you still get it as ineffective.........anyway who gives an ANdy Krakouer we are not winning and thats all that matters

 

[TOT70]

These stats have me roo ted Lids had a Dareren Crocker yesterday and scored 114 points and then he plays a blinder for less points.......seems to me if you put the ball out in front of player for him too run onto you still get it as ineffective.........anyway who gives an ANdy Krakouer we are not winning and thats all that matters

That's another one that distorts the efficiency ratio.

I liked the Distance gained statistic. It is a much better guide to the impact that a player is making on the game.

But you are exactly right. The only stat that matters is scoring. I made this point to my Under 18s Basketball team on Saturday night. I think my exact words were: "There's no point in having the ball on a string if you can't trouble the scorers occasionally."

 

[RUNVS]

Look at the Ruck Stats, Vickery 00000000000000000000000000000000000000 tap outs
Graham absolutley useless. This is one of the reasons we got our SbottomS kicked. oh yeh, and the Blade having TUCK & COGS in the Magoos. Seriously Blade, if U eat sleep and S*** footy, then my 15 y.o daughter knows more about matchups than U. Please move on to North.
GUTTED, completely GUTTED after yesterdays display.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Look at the Ruck Stats, Vickery 00000000000000000000000000000000000000 tap outs

It was hard watching him up against Jolly one of the biggest and best in the biz.
The Big Vic looked like the boy he is in the ruck and was pretty well brushed aside all day.
Hope he learned from it but don't read a lot into it.

 

[RUNVS]

Well give him time in the Magoos. Patto has done well since he has come back. I rate Patto 10 fold in front of Graham and BIGVIC.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Well give him time in the Magoos. Patto has done well since he has come back. I rate Patto 10 fold in front of Graham and BIGVIC.

I don't rate Patto much at all, however our ruck division is looking pretty ordinary heading in to next season whoever it is.

 

[fudge]

From my knowledge gained by osmosis...

A clanger is an error made by a player resulting in a negative result for his side. Frees & 50 meters penalties against, No Pressure Errors, Dropped Marks and Debits are all included in clangers. Handball Ineffective is when a handball is not advantageous to the team but doesn’t directly turn the ball over (clanger) to the opposition the handball is recorded as ineffective. Kick Ineffective is when a kick of less than 40 metres to a contest or a kick of more than 40 metres to a worse than 50/50 contest for the team. The ball is in dispute – the player has not improved his team’s chances.

However, this does not take context into account, so in and under players generally have lower effective disposals. Looking at the numbers for the game against Sydney, I see that Tambling and Cousins were ranked 2nd and 3rd in meters gained. They did have quite a few disposals as well.

As I've always said, stats are an aid to understanding what is going on. Nothing more.