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Steve Hocking

Nico

You psychopathological reactionary!
Jul 1, 2004
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Remember the days when there were going to be rule changes, they were trialed in the preseason or the reserves (VFL) to see how they went and maybe iron out the kinks, before being brought in? That didn’t happen under SHocking, especially with this rule
Bypassed the Rules Committee as well IIRC
 
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CarnTheTiges

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Remember the days when there were going to be rule changes, they were trialed in the preseason or the reserves (VFL) to see how they went and maybe iron out the kinks, before being brought in? That didn’t happen under SHocking, especially with this rule
He was asked on radio why at that time they hadn’t brought stand rule in with the AFLW and responded ‘because the girls don’t do it.’ Cheating scumbag.
 
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Sintiger

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He didn’t like the way we manned the mark aggressively, fully believes it cost the Cats the 2020 GF. He then managed to lobby the AFL ‘media’ to convince everyone that this manning the mark was part of the problem with low scoring. No mention of it advantaging his side significantly. It was rushed through, had no effect on scoring and ultimately helped the Cats get their flag.
Yes but when I watch games from that time I can’t see aggressive manning of the mark particularly. The only difference I see is a player on the mark actually being able to go after a player who has played on rather than standing like a statue
I can’t see any evidence that the flow of the game was any worse under the old rule.
 
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tigertim

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Just a bit louder for the people up the back please Jon Ralph:

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TrialByVideo

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Just a bit louder for the people up the back please Jon Ralph:

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Heard Kelly being interviewed by one of his clients (Dwyane Russell) yesterday... said he's a huge wrap for SHOCKING and what he's done in and for the game!
Later on I caught the tail end of him being interviewed by Sam McClure.. it was like 2 buddies sitting around having a beer and a punt. The thing that grabbed my attention was Kelly reckons the AFL Commission should do whatever it takes to keep McLachlan in the job!!!
Ya don't need to put 2n2 together here.... the very reason that Mick Warner called the AFL the boys club is there for everyone to see.
When you've had a seat up front on the gravy train ..... it figures you'd want the driver you're mates with to keep on keeping on!
Zero governance for Australia's supposedly best run sporting organisation!
 
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Little Ziggyadee

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He changed the rules to suit Geelong

And no one has done anything about it.

The media just continue to praise Geelong.

best list management. Give me a break West Coast gave them a 1000 picks for Kelly. And this year they picked up 2 kids not regulars in non Top 8 teams and a bloke that wouldn't defend.
 
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Tenacious

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How about this for something even more nauseating?
An article by Greg Baum in The Age
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ty-record-not-rewrite-it-20230131-p5cgvq.html

For anyone not able to access it - here is the first couple of paragraphs.

The AFL has not shut the book on a decade-long campaign by former commissioner and Geelong president Colin Carter to revise the game’s history in a way that would deliver the Cats an extra seven premierships and promote Carlton to the top of the flag table outright.

In his book Football’s Forgotten Years, launched on Tuesday, Carter argues strongly for the incorporation into the records of 27 years of the VFA before the establishment of the breakaway VFL in 1897, saying the competition then was popular, its clubs familiar and the game recognisable as the forerunner of today’s AFL.
 
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crackertiger

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Kelly knows how to play the political game. As an agent that's your full-time job. Spin, politics, networking, spin and relationships while pretending you like people. All the while they only care about themselves and money.
 
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larabee

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How about this for something even more nauseating?
An article by Greg Baum in The Age
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ty-record-not-rewrite-it-20230131-p5cgvq.html

For anyone not able to access it - here is the first couple of paragraphs.

The AFL has not shut the book on a decade-long campaign by former commissioner and Geelong president Colin Carter to revise the game’s history in a way that would deliver the Cats an extra seven premierships and promote Carlton to the top of the flag table outright.

In his book Football’s Forgotten Years, launched on Tuesday, Carter argues strongly for the incorporation into the records of 27 years of the VFA before the establishment of the breakaway VFL in 1897, saying the competition then was popular, its clubs familiar and the game recognisable as the forerunner of today’s AFL.
Just posted about this on the Cants thread.
So many problems with this proposal, but you just know Gill will be tempted to go with it before the door hits his arse on the way out
 
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T-Shirt Tommy

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How about this for something even more nauseating?
An article by Greg Baum in The Age
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ty-record-not-rewrite-it-20230131-p5cgvq.html

For anyone not able to access it - here is the first couple of paragraphs.

The AFL has not shut the book on a decade-long campaign by former commissioner and Geelong president Colin Carter to revise the game’s history in a way that would deliver the Cats an extra seven premierships and promote Carlton to the top of the flag table outright.

In his book Football’s Forgotten Years, launched on Tuesday, Carter argues strongly for the incorporation into the records of 27 years of the VFA before the establishment of the breakaway VFL in 1897, saying the competition then was popular, its clubs familiar and the game recognisable as the forerunner of today’s AFL.

If this gets approved, then that'll probably be the final nail in the coffin for me regarding the AFL as a spectator sport.
 
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DavidSSS

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Well if the VFA flags count then surely the WA(N)FL and SANFL flags must count too. Freo would have to be top of the table, or maybe we count all the other flags for WCE. Port Adelaide would be doing well.

What a joke.

DS
 
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YinnarTiger

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I knew Hocking has been around for a while but this would appear to make him much older than me:
By the 1870s, the VFA was drawing crowds of 15,000, then unknown anywhere else. In 1886, South Melbourne and Geelong played off for the championship at the Lakeside Oval before a crowd of 34,000. Melbourne’s population then was less than 400,000.

Carter said changes in the way the game was played between the VFA and AFL eras were irrelevant because the game has always changed. Geelong CEO Steve Hocking, who experimented freely with changes during his time as AFL footy manager, was an attendee.
From the same Age article above.
 

CarnTheTiges

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Well if the VFA flags count then surely the WA(N)FL and SANFL flags must count too. Freo would have to be top of the table, or maybe we count all the other flags for WCE. Port Adelaide would be doing well.

What a joke.

DS
Port have more than 30 in the SANFL I think. A better way to do it would be to asterisk anything won prior to 1990 when the VFL transitioned to the AFL.
 
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DavidSSS

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But the AFL is an expanded version of the VFL, which was indisputably the best competition before we got a national competition.

If the AFL was an amalgamation of the WAFL, SANFL, TFL and VFL there might be a case. It wasn't and it isn't.

If the VFA evolved into the VFL back in the late 19th century there might be a case, it didn't and there isn't.

DS
 
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ToraToraTora

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Well if the VFA flags count then surely the WA(N)FL and SANFL flags must count too. Freo would have to be top of the table, or maybe we count all the other flags for WCE. Port Adelaide would be doing well.

What a joke.

DS
Port will be King Dicks of the comp by the length of the straight.