Structure...The RFC have seen the light!

[the claw]

schulz has had 6 yrs for a paltry 67 games he turns 24 next yr. that initself is a worry. imo he is slow poor below his knees and dumb in a footy sense. i dont think any of these things have changed in 6 yrs. the club should have taken pick 28 for him two yrs ago. one thing for sure this will be schulzs last yr and last chance he must improve. the club has to do better than the schulzs of this world as well it certainly will be another indictment on the time we hang onto players if he does indeed fail.

 

[RedanTiger]

Jimbob I think you've hit on Schulz's problem in your posts. The kid lacks confidence and I think this goes back to the way he was crucified by the media, the club, teammates, supporters and the general football public.......ie everyone........ over the loss of the sponsorship.

For years every time he stuck his head up he was (and still is in this thread) reminded off what he cost the club and how he must repay them. I can still recall Miller saying that Jay's parents had "begged" the club to keep him. That must do wonders for a child to carry the guilt about what you did to your parents on top of every thing else.

Poor bugger has more than enough reasons to lack confidence and it is still up to the club, staff and players, and particularly Jeff Bond, to help repair the damage piled on Jay.

 

[Tygrys]

i dont think we will need a power forward that is there just to kick goals, what we seen last year is that wallace is again going with a forward line that has no specific target but many options (Jack, Morton etc..) He did this reasonably successful with the bulldogs and again last year with Richmond, Johnson i believe just became a focal point because he is a very good player. i myself like the setup he is going for (many options and very mobile). Suits where the game is heading.. Faster and faster.. finding those champion forwards is getting harder and harder.

Whilst the game is getting faster, it is only a couple of short months ago that Hawthorn won the premiership on the back of 188 goals kicked by two power forwards in Roughhead and Franklin. Prior to that who can doubt the indispensibility of such players as Mooney, Hall, Tredrea, Jonathon Brown, Lloyd and Carey in their teams premierships successes. Not having any power forwards and instead lauding the virtues of multiple running options in it's place seems to be trying to redefine a weakness into a strength. The initial Wallet model of recruiting skinny flankers who ran all day at the expense of KPPs is now discredited. A simple question of course being how much better would the team look if we had a Franklin, Roughhead, T. Cloke or Jonathon Brown up front?

Power forwards straighten you up - medium running forwards have the unfortunate tendency of leading to the pockets and up the ground. True Wallet was 'reasonably' successful at Footscray but he never won a premiership, and nor will he at Richmond if we don't get the balance right. Our number 1 priority next draft should be to try and get the best young power forward in the land (as opposed to our present practice of using round two draft picks for top-aged B grade talls like Hughes and Post). This might mean making painful trading decisions and probably a new coach to do it.But one way or another it's got to be done.

 

[craig]

schulz has had 6 yrs for a paltry 67 games he turns 24 next yr. that initself is a worry. imo he is slow poor below his knees and dumb in a footy sense. i dont think any of these things have changed in 6 yrs. the club should have taken pick 28 for him two yrs ago. one thing for sure this will be schulzs last yr and last chance he must improve. the club has to do better than the schulzs of this world as well it certainly will be another indictment on the time we hang onto players if he does indeed fail.

Agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Skills]

Ya counting ya chickens before they have even crossed the road Tigerbob. Word of warning - when you get excited about a particular player do not get to excited and publicise on PRE, many have been burnt. I'm referring to your jolly excitement on David Gourdis, he will be another that'll turn out to be a dud and a waste of investment and as for Post his kicking will be his demise.

Maybe you should read Tigerbob's post before handing out warnings. There is no excitement about one particular player. It's about list management and team structure. You seem to be out of your depth here Hancho, this isn't the Tambling thread!!!

 

[Tigerbob]

Maybe you should read Tigerbob's post before handing out warnings. There is no excitement about one particular player. It's about list management and team structure. You seem to be out of your depth here Hancho, this isn't the Tambling thread!!!

Thanks for that Skills.

I am excited about the clubs philosophy changing, not by any particular player.

 

[jimbob]

I have made my position pretty clear with what I think - I agree with Tygrys - a strong forward straightens you up. I am not for a moment suggesting you place all your eggs in one basket & ignore alternatives when going into attack. If a power forward wasn't important why did Melbourne drool over the possibility of Jack Watts & not go for someone else ? A quality FF is still & will always be gold. The deal is......get the quality support players in so that the opposition can't double/treble team the one player because they are crapping themselves about the damage being done from the Cyril Rioli's & the like. Most quality forwards have enough confidence (arrogance if you like) to firmly believe that they will be able to beat their opponent over the course of the game - one on one.

I really like the thought of sufficient quality forwards to pick up the slack when the main man goes missing, as will be the case - but a serious FF is really useful. This might sound strange coming from a Richmond supporter but if Collingwood ever get their balance right in attack - they will kick big scores. Rusling is one, though injury that is preventing them having a strong forward line. Rocca (kicks six - goes missing for 2 weeks) - is a big, big man - kicks the ball a mile. Travis Cloke still has his best footy ahead of him. Throw the shooter in - even Davis & you have a potent forward linemix of smalls & talls. Fortunately they have an ageing midfield & the ball doesn't get in there as much. Didn't stop them spanking us early last year though.

Ouch........

On a separate note - Impressed with Mitch Morton's contribution as an alternate forward this year (albeit he needs to not get quite so close to the man on the mark) - a lovely kick - who puts in more second effort's than one Kayne P - who is in big trouble as a long term player.

 

[the claw]

Thanks for that Skills.

I am excited about the clubs philosophy changing, not by any particular player.

hmm i agrre but only part of the philosophy has changed. it seems we still target recycled players to fix our woes. as a long term strategy it has been shown over the last 20 25 yrs not to work.when the club philosophy becomes trade into draft picks in the main rather than the reverse the philosophy will have completely changed.

 

[cagedtiger]

Ya counting ya chickens before they have even crossed the road Tigerbob. Word of warning - when you get excited about a particular player do not get to excited and publicise on PRE, many have been burnt. I'm referring to your jolly excitement on David Gourdis, he will be another that'll turn out to be a dud and a waste of investment and as for Post his kicking will be his demise.

You just uncounted a chicken before it hatched. Don't you see the contradiction. No you probably don't because you have to think to work that one out.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

You just uncounted a chicken before it hatched. Don't you see the contradiction. No you probably don't because you have to think to work that one out.

I always rate someone who can count the chicken before it is hatched much higher than someone who does the counting after the hatching.

 

[Willo]

I always rate someone who can count the chicken before it is hatched much higher than someone who does the counting after the hatching.

But if it doesn't hatch its just an egg Colonel Sanders. Thought you'd know your chickens. ;D

 

[Merveille]

Jimbob I think you've hit on Schulz's problem in your posts. The kid lacks confidence and I think this goes back to the way he was crucified by the media, the club, teammates, supporters and the general football public.......ie everyone........ over the loss of the sponsorship.

For years every time he stuck his head up he was (and still is in this thread) reminded off what he cost the club and how he must repay them. I can still recall Miller saying that Jay's parents had "begged" the club to keep him. That must do wonders for a child to carry the guilt about what you did to your parents on top of every thing else.

Poor bugger has more than enough reasons to lack confidence and it is still up to the club, staff and players, and particularly Jeff Bond, to help repair the damage piled on Jay.

Most inciteful post, agree completely.

 

[Merveille]

schulz has had 6 yrs for a paltry 67 games he turns 24 next yr. that initself is a worry. imo he is slow poor below his knees and dumb in a footy sense. i dont think any of these things have changed in 6 yrs. the club should have taken pick 28 for him two yrs ago. one thing for sure this will be schulzs last yr and last chance he must improve. the club has to do better than the schulzs of this world as well it certainly will be another indictment on the time we hang onto players if he does indeed fail.

Predictable and uninciteful post - couldn't agree less..

 

[GoodOne]

schulz has had 6 yrs for a paltry 67 games he turns 24 next yr. that initself is a worry. imo he is slow poor below his knees and dumb in a footy sense. i dont think any of these things have changed in 6 yrs. the club should have taken pick 28 for him two yrs ago. one thing for sure this will be schulzs last yr and last chance he must improve. the club has to do better than the schulzs of this world as well it certainly will be another indictment on the time we hang onto players if he does indeed fail.

I agree on this one. I've had a contrary belief to some in terms of his attack on the ball. I've always thought it was quite poor. Once in a while he'd put his body on the line but for his build it all seems to rare to me. Maybe Claws has it, maybe he doesn't have lack of agression, mabye he's just simply too slow.

Out of interest who could we have had that's performed well around the 28 pick mark (in hindsight)

 

[The Cotch]

On Schulz, I agree with a lot of the points Claw raises.

He's no longer a kid, and with a young list, he is one of very few players who should be hitting their peak at our football club in regards to age. Jay must first find a position after all these years, then step up next season and become a regular selection, otherwise I don't see him having much of a future down the track.

Theres no doubting his courage/commitment on gameday, but it's just a lack of football smart sometimes that catches my eye anyway. Hopefully it comes with confidence and extra responsibility as a senior player and has a super 09'.

 

[Opulentus Tigris]

Great posting jimbob, welcome aboard......great thread too. This is why i love PRE. :clap

 

[mb64]

On Schulz, I agree with a lot of the points Claw raises.

He's no longer a kid, and with a young list, he is one of very few players who should be hitting their peak at our football club in regards to age. Jay must first find a position after all these years, then step up next season and become a regular selection, otherwise I don't see him having much of a future down the track.

Theres no doubting his courage/commitment on gameday, but it's just a lack of football smart sometimes that catches my eye anyway. Hopefully it comes with confidence and extra responsibility as a senior player and has a super 09'.

Doubt it