Sugar still captain, Newman, Foley vice captains

[ZeroGame]

What were his goal tallys in the last couple of years?

2005 - 31
2006 - 31
2007 - 37

 

[TigerMasochist]

He's played every game because of a lack of competition. Basically he wasgood the first half of 06, poor the second half. He was good last year for the first quarter of the first game, and was then ordinary for 12 weeks or thereabouts, before finishing off the season OK.

He gets shut out of the game sometimes because he gets too caught up in chatting to his opponent, and he's not prepared to consistently put a hard tackle on someone.

Leaders should inspire others, and shirking contests - which he does still do - is not inspirational.


There's lies, damn lies and statistics. Having a good amount of inside 50's does not a leader make. I think when he starts getting control of his own mental thought process, he could do quite well. Until he's done that though, he can't possibly be a good leader.

So what your saying general is that Plough and the coaches / match comittee have no idea about the qualities of our players, unlike your good self of course.

 

[The_General]

I'm not the only one who thinks those things. If you do a search for my username and pettifer, you should find me sticking up for the guy. I do think he's in our best 22, particularly when he's "up". The problem is, he's patchy, and there isn't enough pressure on him from Coburg listed players, so he isn't "up" nearly often enough. But we're not just talking about playing for the seniors, and not at Coburg, but being a LEADER. Think about that word. He is meant to be one of the players who leads the young guys on our list. That concerns me a lot.

I've heard people such as KB, robert walls, quartermaine and carey to name a few all say he doesn't play consistently enough. I've heard some of them question his ticker, and a lot more question his desire to put his head over the ball or chase his opponent hard enough.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Congrats to foley and newman well deserved.

Kane mmm i dont agree as i think it was high time he was replaced as captain.

 

[TigerMasochist]

I'm not the only one who thinks those things. If you do a search for my username and pettifer, you should find me sticking up for the guy. I do think he's in our best 22, particularly when he's "up". The problem is, he's patchy, and there isn't enough pressure on him from Coburg listed players, so he isn't "up" nearly often enough. But we're not just talking about playing for the seniors, and not at Coburg, but being a LEADER. Think about that word. He is meant to be one of the players who leads the young guys on our list. That concerns me a lot.

I've heard people such as KB, robert walls, quartermaine and carey to name a few all say he doesn't play consistently enough. I've heard some of them question his ticker, and a lot more question his desire to put his head over the ball or chase his opponent hard enough.

99% of our players don't play consistently enough. Perhaps Kayne was chosen as best of a bad bunch or perhaps he just sets a very good example off the field around the club.
As for putting his head over the ball and chasing opponents hard enough. A bloke called Bradley from Carlton played first receiver for about a hundred years, never got a hard ball or laid a tackle, he made team of the century for a club with 16 flags to its name even helped them win some.
Football keeps evolving and most clubs have a downhill skier or two nowadays. The coaches accept the need for purely attacking players that can create and open games up.

 

[The_General]

It doesn't change my opinion that I don't think he's Captaincy material. You don't put mediocre performers in positions of leadership, in any organisation. As for inconsistency, I think there's a difference between players who try their guts out and get beaten by their opponents, and players who just don't put in hard enough.

If you're willing to accept mediocrity, then that's what you will deliver.

Foley is an excellent and inspired choice for the group, because of his desire to work hard on the training track, and his desire on the playing field. He is the type of person we should be hoping our young guys look up to. I've never heard any of the coaching staff talk about how hard Kayne puts in on the training track.

 

[ronnit]

aaahhh...so nice to be back...

now i know why i had no head aches while i was away...no crap to irritate me....


to the few..very few...who say chris newman is over rated...what planet are you on....who exactly over rates him...??

i am so so so happy for chris...good on you and do yourself and your family proud..i know you wil...you alll ready have...


foley...i may sit here and say you have yet to prove yourself but i know around the club you do many many good things..hears to a great year to you...


as for lids....his time will come.

johnno was always going to be captain..whether he was co captian or on his won was the only question...so...go johnno...you have all the respect from the players and that is indeed what a captain is all about...\\\

bring it on tiges...

 

[IrockZ]

to the few..very few...who say chris newman is over rated...what planet are you on....who exactly over rates him...??

most around here

if newman is a serious chance for the job in 09 he must get out of the back pocket and start to establish himself as an on-baller, at the age of 25 is he ready to step up or is it too late?

 

[Mrs Richo]

never too late buddy.. why does the next captain have to be an onballer to prove his worth?

 

[premiers2011]

most around here

if newman is a serious chance for the job in 09 he must get out of the back pocket and start to establish himself as an on-baller, at the age of 25 is he ready to step up or is it too late?

I agree Irock

Newman needs to take quite a large step to be any show of getting the captaincy.

I know the coaching staff put the acid on him in the last game against St.Kilda and he got BOG and was less than happy to be dragged for the last 10 minutes of the game.
Let's not go down the "tanking" road but his opponent (can't remember who) set up about three goals in the time that he was off and won them the game.
I think the home truths he said to all concerned (coaching staff) after the game might have earned him alot of respect and made them realise how commited he is to The Tiges!!

 

[ronnit]

hey you premier 08 fella....you just agreed with the people that said newman is over rated...... ???

does it occur to any of you people that tell him to get off the back line that he may WANT to get off the back line but has been told he is NEEDED on the back line....

lets just see what happens this year shall we..

 

[Hayfever]

most around here

if newman is a serious chance for the job in 09 he must get out of the back pocket and start to establish himself as an on-baller, at the age of 25 is he ready to step up or is it too late?

Geelong got it very wrong then with Tom Harley ???

 

[premiers2011]

hey you premier 08 fella....you just agreed with the people that said newman is over rated...... ???

does it occur to any of you people that tell him to get off the back line that he may WANT to get off the back line but has been told he is NEEDED on the back line....

lets just see what happens this year shall we..

Welcome back RonniT. Hope you had a good holiday.

I don't think Chris Newman is over rated but I do think he needs to get a profile outside of the club and get the respect that he has within Richmond from the whole football community before he can seriously ge touted as captain or he'll just come across as a Richie Vandenberg type that looked like he got it 'cos there was no one else to do it.
And please stop using so many capitals no wonder you've got a headache, if I yelled as much as you did I'd have one too.

 

[ronnit]

what are you talking about...or are you being sarcastic...there are no capitals in my whle post...

you are being sarcastic.....

 

[ronnit]

and i think you mean he is UNDER RATED...as in NO ONE KNOWS WHO HE IS..now that was shouting......flies under the radar...quiet achiever...blah blah blah..all that stuff....

 

[Hayfever]

I don't think Chris Newman is over rated but I do think he needs to get a profile outside of the club and get the respect that he has within Richmond from the whole football community before he can seriously ge touted as captain or he'll just come across as a Richie Vandenberg type that looked like he got it 'cos there was no one else to do it

Fair point Premiers08......... he does need pumping up a bit.

There is a good story to tell though........
Was selected for the Australian International rules team in 2005(and from memory did quite well).
Set for a big year this year after completing successful comeback in 2007 from badly broken leg in 2006.
Highly respected by coaching staff, team mates and fans.
etc etc.

 

[premiers2011]

hey you premier 08 fella....you just agreed with the people that said newman is over rated...... ???

does it occur to any of you people that tell him to get off the back line that he may WANT to get off the back line but has been told he is NEEDED on the back line....

lets just see what happens this year shall we..

I know I went to a pretty ordinary school but I'm sure these are capitals ;D and I said I don't think Chris Newman is over rated.
I think you need another holiday

 

[KnightersRevenge]

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I don't think Chris Newman is over rated but I do think he needs to get a profile outside of the club and get the respect that he has within Richmond from the whole football community before he can seriously ge touted as captain.....

I think the modern era of internet and TV have clouded peoples take on what it is to be captain. Carey had no public profile until after he left North, or if anything, the wrong one. My boy Knighter was one of the most respected captains in the league but his profile was entirely about how he played the game. Not about how he performed for the camera. Chris works hard and is rarely beaten. He can't win the game off his own boot from the backline, but has shown the capacity to kick the odd "Captain's goal".

Clearly we won't know if it was an inspired choice until we get into the season proper, but I'm looking forward to it.

 

[premiers2011]

Fair point Premiers08......... he does need pumping up a bit.

There is a good story to tell though........
Was selected for the Australian International rules team in 2005(and from memory did quite well).
Set for a big year this year after completing successful comeback in 2007 from badly broken leg in 2006.
Highly respected by coaching staff, team mates and fans.
etc etc.

Yeah I know ItchyEyes and don't worry I hope he gets the gig but I don't want to have to be defending him to all my mates like it seemed Hawthorn supporters were doing every second week with Vandenberg

 

[IrockZ]

Geelong got it very wrong then with Tom Harley ???

you comparing harley and newman now?

harley is a key defender who has presence out on the field and is very tight as a backman, low profile but still has that respect from the opposition that you want in your captain

newman might be highly respected at the club but he needs to put some more runs on the board imo, as much as i dont rate johnson as a captain he atleast has 2 flags and was a quality midfielder for a short while so he has the honours to some extent