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Dont you go to Bingo on Sunday nights L2r2r :hihi excellent work,intresting Tambling has the highest tackles in a game
CC TIGER said:
Went once many years ago and won a $100 prize, you should've seen the dirty looks I got from the regulars. :hihi
Footy is not hard you just need to do the little thing to make you better and tacking is just one of those things.
If you do the little thing well the rest just falls in place.
If you do the little thing well the rest just falls in place.
anyone that has played rugby will tell you that tackling is about technique, intensity and commitment not size - thats where we need to start first
there are other ways to apply pressure as well, if anyone watched the sunday footy show they will have seen the highlights package by the lions player - a skinny little guy (forget his name) who chased, harrassed and contested about 5 contests in a row without laying an effective tackle but did enough to pressure the kangas player into turning the ball over and creating a goal.
its all about speed to get to the contest, fitness to be able to do 2nd 3rd & 4th efforts, commitment to want to do it and reward for doing it
there are other ways to apply pressure as well, if anyone watched the sunday footy show they will have seen the highlights package by the lions player - a skinny little guy (forget his name) who chased, harrassed and contested about 5 contests in a row without laying an effective tackle but did enough to pressure the kangas player into turning the ball over and creating a goal.
its all about speed to get to the contest, fitness to be able to do 2nd 3rd & 4th efforts, commitment to want to do it and reward for doing it
Tango said:
Hooper is his name, from the Lions.
The thing also is, the Lions still have something to play for, so the intensity/hunger is there
Our team is playing for nothing at the moment, and even a priority-pick is out of our hands and up to Carlton to win/lose.
The only thing going at Richmond at the moment is that individual players will be playing for their careers at Richmond, and to be honest, I think the players already would have a fair idea of who is "safe" and who is on thin ice.
Expect another few thrashings between now and Round 22.
agreed, but that excuse cannot be used for the last 5 years?
we have never been a great pressure side, we have never been a great protector from pressure side either
(ie)
we dont block chasers to give time to size up our options
we dont shepherd
we dont hurt other teams applying pressure on us
we dont apply pressure in the middle of the ground
we dont apply pressure coming out of our fwd line
we dont chase, harass or even knock players to the ground after they dispose of it (which stops them running on and linking up)
add to this that we are unfit, unnacountable and lacking in skill and size........
no wonder we have only won 1 game
the best coach in the business couldnt help us at the moment
we have never been a great pressure side, we have never been a great protector from pressure side either
(ie)
we dont block chasers to give time to size up our options
we dont shepherd
we dont hurt other teams applying pressure on us
we dont apply pressure in the middle of the ground
we dont apply pressure coming out of our fwd line
we dont chase, harass or even knock players to the ground after they dispose of it (which stops them running on and linking up)
add to this that we are unfit, unnacountable and lacking in skill and size........
no wonder we have only won 1 game
the best coach in the business couldnt help us at the moment
geoffryprettyboy said:
Spot on.
Our tackling has been sh!thouse(last) every year under Wallace and co.
Absolutely pathetic that our players are largely unaccountable when they don't have the football.
It has not been addressed.
Well Terry why is it and why does it remain so poor???????
Tango said:
That's baloney.
Tackling, accountability and defensive pressure are clearly not a priority under the current regime at Tigerland.
Tigers of Old said:
I agree with that ToO and the strange thing about it, Terry Wallace as a footballer, was pretty hard, he would go in get the hard ball, tackle hard and hit hard. Might be one of his fault's that he doesn't coach the way he played.
Jake said:
Jake,
The way the Bulldogs played with their tackling and scragging was one of the main reasons I was quite happy we got Wallace, as we had been a pretty soft team for years. So he USED to coach the way he played.
So far, I have been disappointed with this lack of intensity our team shows on the field compared to the Bulldogs of the late-90's..
Jake said:
Yes it is ironic because Wallace built his game around desperation and hard work at Hawthorn.
He was certainly not the prettiest type of player but extremely disciplined and a bloody minded workhorse who was excellent at extracting the footy and sending it forward.
His mentor was Jeans who also placed a very heavy emphasis on workmate, so it's odd that he hasn't instigated this at Tigerland.
As Livers above points out when he arrived as coach I thought this was the first thing he would instigate but he's barely caused a ripple in three years. :-\
Ian4 said:
That's the biggest concern for me with Wallace as coach because hasn't seem to be getting the commitment from his troops that is vital in finals football.
Have a look at the Weagles mids for example.
Their possession counts are not only high, their tackle counts and 1%s are through the roof!
They bust their balls for their team mates and their coach.
For example Deledio's poor tackle count on the other hand has barely improved in 3 seasons. Why?
Statistics from 1996: (Mostly concerned with the lack of tackling and the 1% per centers Terry Wallace coached sides do in a season).
Tackling
1996: Sydney = Runners up Rated 1st in tackling Footscray: 16th
1997: Adelaide = Premiers 1st in tackling W.B 12th
1998: Adelaide = Premiers 1st W.B 11th
1999: Kangaroos = Premiers 4th W.B 10th
2000: Essendon = Premiers 2nd W.B 14th
(Note Essendon’s only loss in 2000 was to the Western Bulldogs in round 21. Western Bulldogs tackled more than Essendon that evening.
2001: Brisbane Lions = Premiers 4th in tackles W.B 15th
(Note in 2002 and 2003 Brisbane was rated no 1 in tackles in the competition).
2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in tackling Richmond 15th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in tackling Richmond 11th
1 per centers (Smothers, Shepard’s, blocks,) e.t.c
2000: Essendon = Premiers 4th in 1 per centers W.B 16th
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004: Brisbane = Runners up and Premiers 3 straight years
No 1 in one per centers W.B in 2001 15th
2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in one per centers Richmond 16th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in one per centers Richmond 15th
Note: Premiership teams in the history of the game have been good tackling sides. Tackling does many things in a game of football; it places pressure on the opposition and even places perceived pressure when you do it correctly. It obviously fatigues sides later in the contest also. In Finals games when there is a definite improvement in areas mentioned above, it has been proven that Terry Wallace coached teams do not tackle and apply physical pressure and 1%’s on the ball carrier, or in the game in general.
In Wallace’s best years in charge of a team 1997 and 1998 they were overrun and then smashed by the crows in both years. You could see Adelaide lift especially in 1997 because they were not being tackled, and therefore were not tired at games end. It gave them the ability to run the game out.
Wallace at the Bulldogs had one of the best tacklers the game has seen in Tony Liberatore. Even still it did not assist tackle numbers team wise. Romero, West, Dimma, and others were also productive tacklers or should have been.
Wallace allows teams with good foot skills too much time and space. In Richmond’s severe losses this year, the opposition has eased through the midfield with the mindset they would not be tackled. (Figures above prove this) Sydney, W.B were allowed too much time and space. If you give AFL footballer’s time and space they surely will cause havoc.
Wallace is successful in limiting contested marks, as well as hard ball gets to the opposition, although this may be a thing of the past. Most teams now play with an uncontested aspect to assist their running players. Teams with numerous forward options will often beat a Terry Wallace coached side. He likes to have a defender such as a Bowden free at Richmond to zone off or be the 3rd man up at the contest. At the Bulldogs Craig Ellis or Todd Curley would do that role. If you are the opposition and you see this, you surely direct some football through Bowden to hurt them on the scoreboard.
Wallace has struggled to beat coaches such as Mark Williams, Schwab (Hawthorn), Malthouse and Matthews because of either their success at uncontested style of football, their ability to tackle fiercely, or the fact they have had numerous options up forward.
Wallace would probably like to play 22 wingman if he could. A fast running side that does not tackle. The purchase of Tambling and Oakley-Nicholls may come off, although at present Richmond stand 16th at clearances. Either at stop plays or centre breaks. In and under footballers would stop this trend. Richmond have refused to draft Nathan Jones and Jordan Lewis who are excellent at the stoppages, rather they chose Danny Meyer and Tambling types.
The lack of an up and coming spine could spell disaster for Richmond. If you pressure Richmond’s defence they do not have the ability to hit targets going forward. At the Bulldogs Wallace did not have the spine to win in September.
With the draft picks at his disposal (at Richmond) he could have well and truly improved the position of Richmond’s talls. However he has decided to go with the Western Bulldogs style again which did not pay dividends the first time around.
Wallace is a very smart business operator, has excellent media skills which will benefit the club with members and sponsorship. However it remains to be seen whether he will take the Richmond side to sustained success. The lack of tackling, sustained pressure, one per centers and clearances (with bigger bodies) need to be worked upon. Whether it will remains to be seen. As history and statistics show you need to be successful at tackling to win premierships. With Wallace at the helm it is highly doubtful.
Note: In Richmond’s best seasons in recent times: 1995 and 2001 they were a good tackling side.
1995: 1st in total tackles
2001: 3rd in total tackles.
Tackling
1996: Sydney = Runners up Rated 1st in tackling Footscray: 16th
1997: Adelaide = Premiers 1st in tackling W.B 12th
1998: Adelaide = Premiers 1st W.B 11th
1999: Kangaroos = Premiers 4th W.B 10th
2000: Essendon = Premiers 2nd W.B 14th
(Note Essendon’s only loss in 2000 was to the Western Bulldogs in round 21. Western Bulldogs tackled more than Essendon that evening.
2001: Brisbane Lions = Premiers 4th in tackles W.B 15th
(Note in 2002 and 2003 Brisbane was rated no 1 in tackles in the competition).
2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in tackling Richmond 15th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in tackling Richmond 11th
1 per centers (Smothers, Shepard’s, blocks,) e.t.c
2000: Essendon = Premiers 4th in 1 per centers W.B 16th
2001, 2002, 2003, 2004: Brisbane = Runners up and Premiers 3 straight years
No 1 in one per centers W.B in 2001 15th
2005: Sydney = Premiers 1st in one per centers Richmond 16th
2006: Melbourne = ? 1st in one per centers Richmond 15th
Note: Premiership teams in the history of the game have been good tackling sides. Tackling does many things in a game of football; it places pressure on the opposition and even places perceived pressure when you do it correctly. It obviously fatigues sides later in the contest also. In Finals games when there is a definite improvement in areas mentioned above, it has been proven that Terry Wallace coached teams do not tackle and apply physical pressure and 1%’s on the ball carrier, or in the game in general.
In Wallace’s best years in charge of a team 1997 and 1998 they were overrun and then smashed by the crows in both years. You could see Adelaide lift especially in 1997 because they were not being tackled, and therefore were not tired at games end. It gave them the ability to run the game out.
Wallace at the Bulldogs had one of the best tacklers the game has seen in Tony Liberatore. Even still it did not assist tackle numbers team wise. Romero, West, Dimma, and others were also productive tacklers or should have been.
Wallace allows teams with good foot skills too much time and space. In Richmond’s severe losses this year, the opposition has eased through the midfield with the mindset they would not be tackled. (Figures above prove this) Sydney, W.B were allowed too much time and space. If you give AFL footballer’s time and space they surely will cause havoc.
Wallace is successful in limiting contested marks, as well as hard ball gets to the opposition, although this may be a thing of the past. Most teams now play with an uncontested aspect to assist their running players. Teams with numerous forward options will often beat a Terry Wallace coached side. He likes to have a defender such as a Bowden free at Richmond to zone off or be the 3rd man up at the contest. At the Bulldogs Craig Ellis or Todd Curley would do that role. If you are the opposition and you see this, you surely direct some football through Bowden to hurt them on the scoreboard.
Wallace has struggled to beat coaches such as Mark Williams, Schwab (Hawthorn), Malthouse and Matthews because of either their success at uncontested style of football, their ability to tackle fiercely, or the fact they have had numerous options up forward.
Wallace would probably like to play 22 wingman if he could. A fast running side that does not tackle. The purchase of Tambling and Oakley-Nicholls may come off, although at present Richmond stand 16th at clearances. Either at stop plays or centre breaks. In and under footballers would stop this trend. Richmond have refused to draft Nathan Jones and Jordan Lewis who are excellent at the stoppages, rather they chose Danny Meyer and Tambling types.
The lack of an up and coming spine could spell disaster for Richmond. If you pressure Richmond’s defence they do not have the ability to hit targets going forward. At the Bulldogs Wallace did not have the spine to win in September.
With the draft picks at his disposal (at Richmond) he could have well and truly improved the position of Richmond’s talls. However he has decided to go with the Western Bulldogs style again which did not pay dividends the first time around.
Wallace is a very smart business operator, has excellent media skills which will benefit the club with members and sponsorship. However it remains to be seen whether he will take the Richmond side to sustained success. The lack of tackling, sustained pressure, one per centers and clearances (with bigger bodies) need to be worked upon. Whether it will remains to be seen. As history and statistics show you need to be successful at tackling to win premierships. With Wallace at the helm it is highly doubtful.
Note: In Richmond’s best seasons in recent times: 1995 and 2001 they were a good tackling side.
1995: 1st in total tackles
2001: 3rd in total tackles.
pattersonmiller said:
Precisely.
And the little Bulldogs did not have the physical strength to withstand the ferocious Adelaide assault on the ball.
This is why Wallet keeps the focus on the foot skills of our duds rather than our total lack of physical presence. He still doesn't acknowledge that his teams of fleet neat skills types will never withstand the physical pressure of big finals. He wants more of them.
We need a list manager to ensure that we don't recruit players who don't have the frame for the game. We've already got too many.
nwonash said:
We have so many small bodied players for a simple reason, they are young. Give them a few years. If the 2004 draft class doesn't show what you want by the start 2008 then you should be asking questions.